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Post by dccblowup on Jun 13, 2019 11:50:55 GMT
Thread is gone. Wonder if someone got too close to the Holly story...
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Jun 13, 2019 11:59:24 GMT
Thread is gone. Wonder if someone got too close to the Holly story... Looks like organissimo itself is down at the momemt
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Post by mintyjackhole on Jun 13, 2019 12:04:46 GMT
It bums me out tremendously, but Organissimo's forum sounds like it is on its last legs. The expense is catching up with them. I'll miss it. Slightly off topic: Fuck you Scott Dolan.
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Post by jeatletoes on Jun 13, 2019 15:05:55 GMT
Thread is gone. Wonder if someone got too close to the Holly story... Looks like organissimo itself is down at the momemt
STeVE has a lot of friends in the business, pal.
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Post by mintyjackhole on Jun 13, 2019 15:55:24 GMT
Nothing funnier than a featured thread being sent to the cornfields. Stay classy Hoofy!
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Post by mintybaldwin on Jun 13, 2019 17:37:24 GMT
Funny thing is, if Steve still had stolen master tapes in his possession he could play the hero right now.
A few years ago, I was talking to a big fish in the small pond of Buddy Holly experts.
We got to discussing the various bootlegs that were doing the rounds featuring Buddy Holly's studio outtakes. (Obviously, this is second-hand hearsay so take it for what it's worth.) He told me that back in the 80s, your friend and mine, Steve Hoffman, was advertising in Goldmine and selling copies of a whole bunch of tapes.
I didn't believe it at the time, because I hadn't discovered stereocentral. I mean, why would someone risk their job to make a few bucks, but now I'm not so sure. Now it all makese sense because who else would have access to this material?
Anyone else heard that? Any evidence that it's actually true?
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Post by Brick Wall on Jun 13, 2019 18:46:16 GMT
You knew it was coming. Fuck all that Negrah music. So what if Chuck Berry, Howlin' Wolf, Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Muddy Waters, Willie Dixon, Bo Diddley, Etta James, John Lee Hooker, Buddy Guy, Little Walter, Count Basie, Coleman Hawkins, Dizzy Gillespie, Max Roach, Art Blakey, Sonny Rollins, Charles Mingus, Ornette Coleman, Alice Coltrane, Sun Ra, Albert Ayler and Pharoah Sanders' shit went up in smoke. All is well. The Fabs dodged the bullet.
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Jun 14, 2019 1:54:25 GMT
A year or two ago, the Mexican Summer label reissued several Pharoah Sanders' Impulse titles on vinyl. The bizarre thing was that the label freely and openly admitted that these vinyl reissues were sourced from needledrops of first pressings. That made zero sense that they would do that. They tried to spin it as a virtue, a needledrop source being "pure analog" and all. WTF? They licensed it, why not use the master? Well, now it makes some kind of sense. The master tapes no longer exist. Obviously, even the 2-track masters of those Impulse titles are gone forever. There are probably some copy tapes somewhere in Europe and Japan, but they couldn't be bothered to secure their use. For what it's worth, 1) the Impulse CD remasters from the late 90s are sonically superior to any vinyl edition, and 2) Pharoah Sanders hippy dippy Impulse records are fairly shit anyway. This is something I've been thinking about. I realize as far as unreleased material, it's gone forever. But a lot of this shit had already been issued on CD, no? I guess for more obscure artists, that might not be the case, but for the big names at least it's not quite "the end of the world" that they are making it out to be. Then again, none of it really fucking matters anyway.
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Post by dccblowup on Jun 14, 2019 4:16:45 GMT
A year or two ago, the Mexican Summer label reissued several Pharoah Sanders' Impulse titles on vinyl. The bizarre thing was that the label freely and openly admitted that these vinyl reissues were sourced from needledrops of first pressings. That made zero sense that they would do that. They tried to spin it as a virtue, a needledrop source being "pure analog" and all. WTF? They licensed it, why not use the master? Well, now it makes some kind of sense. The master tapes no longer exist. Obviously, even the 2-track masters of those Impulse titles are gone forever. There are probably some copy tapes somewhere in Europe and Japan, but they couldn't be bothered to secure their use. For what it's worth, 1) the Impulse CD remasters from the late 90s are sonically superior to any vinyl edition, and 2) Pharoah Sanders hippy dippy Impulse records are fairly shit anyway. I thought Ornette owned the masters and licensed them to Impulse!? That is my recollection.
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Post by dccblowup on Jun 14, 2019 4:20:18 GMT
Slightly off topic: Fuck you Scott Dolan. I want you to know that I've been laughing about this all day. He's the only person I've ever blocked on any site. If there was a SC for Organissimo, he'd be our strat fucker. Kevin Bresnahan would be our Gnart. I heartedly second this: fuck you, Scott, you piece of shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 9:46:34 GMT
Slightly off topic: Fuck you Scott Dolan. I want you to know that I've been laughing about this all day. He's the only person I've ever blocked on any site. If there was a SC for Organissimo, he'd be our strat fucker. Kevin Bresnahan would be our Gnart. I heartedly second this: fuck you, Scott, you piece of shit. I have never heard of Organissimo until now but it sounds like I need to check it out. As for the lost material and the mourning over what may be lost it was never a secret that it was a devastating fire and many pieces of work were lost. This also is not the first time it has happened. There was a vault fire at Fox in the 1930s and one at MGM in 1966 or 1967 which resulted in the loss of many, many films. For film fans it’s a tragic loss, and for many actors and actresses their entire career was lost and are now just footnotes, but the world kept on spinning and here are. Yet somehow the real mourning comes when the SHiTEs realize they may never get 86 takes of “Life in the Fast Lane.” I would truly hate to see how they would react if a real tragic event fell upon them, one that would affect them directly.
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Post by dccblowup on Jun 14, 2019 12:18:33 GMT
I thought Ornette owned the masters and licensed them to Impulse!? That is my recollection.
Why would Ornette own Pharoah Sanders masters?
Damnit. I quoted the wrong post. I was referring to the fact that Ornette licensed the masters for Ornette at 12 and Crisis to Impulse! Feel free to flog me with a Mexican Summer el pee at your first opportunity.
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Post by jeatletoes on Jun 14, 2019 12:52:43 GMT
Old films are really tragic as there are literally no copies left, in some cases. They are most likely gone forever.
With music releases, these were in the hands of many individuals, so there are many surviving copies at least of those albums / singles / 78's that can be digitized. Sure it's not the master tape but at least the recordings still exist.
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Post by Brick Wall on Jun 14, 2019 13:10:03 GMT
As long as A Hard Day's Night and Help survived, I'm good.
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Post by Felonious Spunk on Jun 14, 2019 13:26:35 GMT
Old films are really tragic as there are literally no copies left, in some cases. They are most likely gone forever. With music releases, these were in the hands of many individuals, so there are many surviving copies at least of those albums / singles / 78's that can be digitized. Sure it's not the master tape but at least the recordings still exist. This is kind of how I feel too. I’ll never see London After Midnight but I can listen to Karma anytime I want. (And yes, I do and will. 😛)
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