Post by mintyjackhole on Oct 27, 2019 2:58:02 GMT
It's been hard lately to scroll through the threads over there these days. The stupidity is painful. But this dumbass thread has the making of a classic if it doesn't get nuked for being too political.
forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/ethically-purchasing-used-compact-discs.894177/
Cherry cherry begins with some deep thoughts: "I hadn't dwelled upon the ethics of purchasing used compact discs before reading threads on SHF.
My first considerstion is that a cd is a piece of property which I have purchased. It is mine to do with as as I see fit (within limits of the license). When I bought a CD at MusicWorld, the CD became mine. And the money went to MusicWorld, which that money went to a Recording Industry distributin chain leading back to an original musician/vocalist/audio performer.
After a period of time, for whatever reason, I decide to sell the compact disc to a used CD store or to someone at a flea market or through an online marketplace(Ebay,Discogs,Amazon, other). There is no opportunity defined within this transaction for any portion of this sale to be channeled back or delivered to the original musician/vocalist/audio performer, nor their heirs, nor current rights holders.
I feel perfectly comfortable with this as framed within the concepts of personal property and business within a free-market.
Then an arguement arose that any secondary sales of the compact disc was unfair and unethical in depriving income and compensation to the original musician/vocalist/audio performer, nor their heirs, nor current rights holders.
Initially, I don't agree with this idea. Further pondering lead to me to the idea behind it is that while previous music recording products were temporary, the Compact Disc was created to be too perfect. CD has disrupted a natural order and caused unrest. At this moment, I don't buy it.
There is a poll. Share your thoughts, if you like!"
The question is stupid, but Zapruder wants to make it clear he doesn't want to deal with anything that may get him to question his own behavior:
"If buying used CDs isn't ethical, that means buying used LPs isn't either, and I ain't about that."
Dorm room philosopher 1 will be played by juss 100: "If buying used CDs isn't ethical, that means buying used LPs isn't either, and I ain't about that."
Dorm room philosopher 2 is played by good old DRM: "Communism sucks even more."
Musical Chairs adds some nonsense: "I buy both used CDs and LPs. I also buy a ton new. I feel zero guilt when I buy used U2. I feel a little more complicated about both my Steve Forbert LPs being used or a higher percentage of my James Taylor catalog being purchased new than my Livingston Taylor."
Now this is just a typo, but it made me laugh because I am sure ethnicity comes up way more often than ethics when you are talking about SHiTEs.
mesfen says: "The ghost of Garth arises! Really don’t understand nor comprehend the dilemma of pondering the ethnicity of this. Once purchased, it’s yours to whatever you want including selling it. The artist/record labels got their cut when it was sold initially. To the OP, how to do feel about ripping CDs?"
Wildstar makes a good point. Surely the world already has enough "Pocketful of Kryptonite" albums to fill the demand several times over: "You left out "environmental impact" from the poll. I'm far more concerned about the several million tons of non-biodegradable materials that would start choking the landfills if used CDs became illegal, than I am about the few pennies lost by monolithic corporate entities per used CD sold, since only a small fraction of those people buying used CDs would have bought them new at full price anyway - even if that were the only option. Not to mention most big sellers don't make their way into the used bins until well after their sales peak has past, so there's not a lot of money to be lost at that point anyway. How many new copies of (to randomly name just one out of tens of thousands of examples) The Spin Doctors 'Pocketful Of Kryptonite' sell per year this millenium? (That is assuming that its even still in print)."
And now there are four more pages of fun. The world is on fucking fire and fascism is on the rise, but knock yourself out for getting a used The Mamas And The Papas CD because STeVE won't get his remasturbating bucks.
forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/ethically-purchasing-used-compact-discs.894177/
Cherry cherry begins with some deep thoughts: "I hadn't dwelled upon the ethics of purchasing used compact discs before reading threads on SHF.
My first considerstion is that a cd is a piece of property which I have purchased. It is mine to do with as as I see fit (within limits of the license). When I bought a CD at MusicWorld, the CD became mine. And the money went to MusicWorld, which that money went to a Recording Industry distributin chain leading back to an original musician/vocalist/audio performer.
After a period of time, for whatever reason, I decide to sell the compact disc to a used CD store or to someone at a flea market or through an online marketplace(Ebay,Discogs,Amazon, other). There is no opportunity defined within this transaction for any portion of this sale to be channeled back or delivered to the original musician/vocalist/audio performer, nor their heirs, nor current rights holders.
I feel perfectly comfortable with this as framed within the concepts of personal property and business within a free-market.
Then an arguement arose that any secondary sales of the compact disc was unfair and unethical in depriving income and compensation to the original musician/vocalist/audio performer, nor their heirs, nor current rights holders.
Initially, I don't agree with this idea. Further pondering lead to me to the idea behind it is that while previous music recording products were temporary, the Compact Disc was created to be too perfect. CD has disrupted a natural order and caused unrest. At this moment, I don't buy it.
There is a poll. Share your thoughts, if you like!"
The question is stupid, but Zapruder wants to make it clear he doesn't want to deal with anything that may get him to question his own behavior:
"If buying used CDs isn't ethical, that means buying used LPs isn't either, and I ain't about that."
Dorm room philosopher 1 will be played by juss 100: "If buying used CDs isn't ethical, that means buying used LPs isn't either, and I ain't about that."
Dorm room philosopher 2 is played by good old DRM: "Communism sucks even more."
Musical Chairs adds some nonsense: "I buy both used CDs and LPs. I also buy a ton new. I feel zero guilt when I buy used U2. I feel a little more complicated about both my Steve Forbert LPs being used or a higher percentage of my James Taylor catalog being purchased new than my Livingston Taylor."
Now this is just a typo, but it made me laugh because I am sure ethnicity comes up way more often than ethics when you are talking about SHiTEs.
mesfen says: "The ghost of Garth arises! Really don’t understand nor comprehend the dilemma of pondering the ethnicity of this. Once purchased, it’s yours to whatever you want including selling it. The artist/record labels got their cut when it was sold initially. To the OP, how to do feel about ripping CDs?"
Wildstar makes a good point. Surely the world already has enough "Pocketful of Kryptonite" albums to fill the demand several times over: "You left out "environmental impact" from the poll. I'm far more concerned about the several million tons of non-biodegradable materials that would start choking the landfills if used CDs became illegal, than I am about the few pennies lost by monolithic corporate entities per used CD sold, since only a small fraction of those people buying used CDs would have bought them new at full price anyway - even if that were the only option. Not to mention most big sellers don't make their way into the used bins until well after their sales peak has past, so there's not a lot of money to be lost at that point anyway. How many new copies of (to randomly name just one out of tens of thousands of examples) The Spin Doctors 'Pocketful Of Kryptonite' sell per year this millenium? (That is assuming that its even still in print)."
And now there are four more pages of fun. The world is on fucking fire and fascism is on the rise, but knock yourself out for getting a used The Mamas And The Papas CD because STeVE won't get his remasturbating bucks.