Post by respiratoryproblems on Oct 21, 2019 21:33:11 GMT
I saw Country Joe & The Fish (they were without Barry Melton so went under a different name) ages ago, and it was one of the most boring things I’ve seen. That’s a tough achievement when you’re playing a folk festival and every other act is interminably dull.
"I must say though, artists like Kurt or Thelonious Monk who people think have something to say of the highest importance but are really just suicidal or insane sort of freak me out. Why? Well, everyone thought Monk was really "out there" but they followed his lead and jazz changed. Turns out he really was insane and was finally locked up. Does that mean that the jazzers were wrong to follow him? No, but still." - STeVE
All these sjw inductions disgust me. Madonna, NWA, Prince, Joan Jett, Janet Jackson, Stevie Wonder, etc... all token inclusivity votes. Well affirmative action disgusts me that inducting clowns like those above keeps truly talented legendary white artists out. Ram Jam's Black Betty alone outranks the combined discographies of those above artists, and why aren't they in when the song even has "Black" in the title, shouldn't that give them some woke progressive points? Why aren't The Knack in?
Post by telemangler69 on Jan 15, 2020 18:09:46 GMT
Just call it the “Music” Hall of Fame already. Enough of the facade!
Flabbergasted that Todd Rundgren keeps getting passed over. There has to be a back story there. And of course ridiculous King Crimson not in, proof that the HOF doesn't understand progressive rock and KC's vast influence. No Kansas, no Supertramp. Absurd.
Good for the Doobie Bros, and finally good timing with an older band like that.
Shocked that Dave Matthews Band didn't get in on their first try, but maybe they are trying to catch up with older bands overlooked.
Say It Right
Boycotting until Greg Kihn Band gets their due.
What exactly are you boycotting? Watching the ceremony? Visiting the Rock HOF? Buying Rolling Stone?
PS--Greg Kihn Band is never getting in.
Tommy James has written and recorded many classic rock songs which are instantly recognizable in popular music. Some of those songs include 'Mony Mony,' 'I Think We're Alone Now,' 'Crimson and Clover,' 'Crystal Blue Persuasion' and 'Draggin' The Line' and 'Sweet Cherry Wine.' Some of his songs are even played by high school marching bands.
But, let's face it, this place should be renamed the Popular Music Hall of Fame. It would be more accurate, given the list of inductees each year.
These Rock HOF classes used to be jam packed with heavyweight iconic bands that were all no doubters, and the live induction shows frequently had great end of show "jam band" collaborations and moments that were worth watching (and recording).
Now, as we get into the 90s eligible era, the classes are less substantial and iconic. Doobie Bros in this one is really the only band close to iconic, but even they are "second tier" iconic. All the more ridiculous to keep passing over certain long running bands that are iconic and influential.
Well they need to rename the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame to "The MUSIC Hall of Fame". They keep putting NON Rock acts in this R n R Hall of fame, what the...
The sheer audacity that the HOF would embrace great music performed by minority artists, that have adapted with expanding tastes of fans for decades, that do not play guitar or hold to a very specific defined criteria just violates the very spirit of Rock and Roll. Pearls are clutched tightly.
Not sure what they dislike more, women or minorities... which means they especially lose it when the likes of Whitney, Janet and Donna Summer (I love the hypocrisy when they start on the "not rock" BS regarding her when everyone knows she actually recorded a rock and roll album in the early 1980s) are inducted especially when some guy with a guitar who had one hit song in 1976 still hasn't been inducted lol
does anyone even care about this "award"?i find it about as relevant as The Grammys.and like someone inferred earlier...change the name ...some of the artists in there have zero to do with rock music
Rjp was responsible for shaping the minds of children for many years
there are going to be lots and lots of criticisms about whitney houston and B.I.G. getting in the rock hall, and B.I.G. deserves to be in there as much as cat stevens belongs in the rap hall of fame, but i think just about everyone agrees on that one, and all rappers. rappers are NOT rock and roll, period and you can say anything you want about that comment, and i, till the day i die, will never ever agree.
houston however, is another story.
playing the devil's advocate here:
tell me why whitney houston belongs in the rock and roll hall of fame.....i'm dead serious. give me a legitimate reason why this woman deserves the honor of being enshrined in a cathedral honoring rock stars when she had literally nothing to do with rock and roll music whatsoever.
how do the powers that be explain it?
How often does Biggie get played on classic rock stations?
How often does Aqualung and Locomotive Breath get played?
Shoot me ... again... and again... year after year. Yes, this is tedious and I should know better.
you all know that is a really simple solution to all of this:
change the damn name to the Cleveland Music Hall of Fame.
and then let them all in sinatra, judy garland, the ink spots, rudy vallee, mario lanza, andrea bocelli....all of them.
MikaelaAresenault needs to get far away from that place
And still no Jethro Tull.
T-Rex...yeah! But Biggy should probably get it too (along with the late Bobby Fuller for parity of course).
DrProgQuest really loves the Doobies/hates black people
So the inclusion of a rapper who made 2 albums and is more famous for getting whacked is not a joke and deserving but the election of a great popular American rock and roll band that's been around for close to 5 decades is an utter joke? Lmfao.
Biggie made two legendary albums and had a huge impact on rap. Doobie Brothers made zero legendary albums and the only impact they made on rock music was as being a "yacht rock" target of ridicule.
You've obviously never listened to Captain and Me for starters, and the fact that you wrongly equated their entire output as "yacht rock" tells us all we need to know. Your dislike of a style or form of music or a particular band doesn't disqualify a highly successful band (a band that incorporated many music influences) from deserving the Hall, a band far more deserving than a good chunk of what has already been inducted.
Snubbing the '60s yet again. T Rex barely edged in as the annual token '60s artist. Where are Johnny Rivers, the Monkees, Paul Revere and the Raiders, the Guess Who, and Tommy James and the Shondells? Since when did Whitney Houston ever rock? As for the Notorious BIG, IMO, the Hip-Hop Hall of Fame should be a completely separate entity. The RRHOF becomes more of a bad joke every year.
When the Baseball HOF starts inducting cricket players, I'll accept this argument.
Meantime, they should change the name to the Pop Music HOF and leave honoring R&R to people who actually like the music.
Houston and Big are far away from Rock and Roll but oh well...…………..at this point it should be called the "popular music" hall of fame...……...
BroJB really wants to die on this hill
Except - and God help me for taking this silliness seriously for a moment - what they do is an insult to rock music geeks.
If the Football HOF left out Barry Sanders but kept inducting lacrosse players, football fans would have no problem calling the whole thing a scam and washing their hands of it it.
Rock fans, for reasons I don't understand, choose to say the equivalent of "well, it's not so much the Football HOF as it is the Sports Played On Grass Hall of Fame" and go along with it.
"The American Music Hall of Fame" It hasn't been about "Rock and Roll" in a long time. It's just a name that stuck.
1. Still no Warren Zevon, that's ridiculous.
2. Just change the name to Music Hall of Fame already
There was a time decades ago when visiting the R&RHOF was on my bucket list. That was a long time ago. Now, I wouldn't pay city bus fare across town to go.
Daniel Plainview really hates black people
I'd go just to leave a mess in the bathroom and clog a toilet. To hell with that place. No respect for heavy rock/metal artists. Mumbling over old Herb Alpert records is more respected than playing a musical instrument. HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE CRAZY?!??! AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO GIVES A **** ABOUT THE RULES?!!!!?
MikaelaArsenault really, really needs to get away from that place
To be honest with you, the inductees just aren't that good this year.
Daniel Plainview would be cool with Whitney going in... after a white singer
I'm fine with Whitney. I'm fine with all these acts getting in. IN DUE TIME. But you've got all sorts of great acts still riding the pine. Priest. Maiden. Nilsson. Beefheart. Motorhead. Uh... Juice Newton...
Which non-rock acts have been inducted? I can only think of Miles Davis and Joan Baez. Even Johnny Cash is close enough.
This whole thread has been discussing Whitney and Biggie and you have to ask which non-rock acts have been inducted. Astonishing.
Tom M hates black people
It's now The Politically Correct Hall of Fame.
I really think it should be called the Rolling Stone Magazine Hall Of Fame. If that's what it was called, I think that would end all these discussions about who should or shouldn't be in.
Fusionfan is apoplectic over black people getting recognized for making music
The fact that rock subsequently became a genre played by far more whites than blacks in North America doesn't give you license to change the genre by fiat so that you can have more blacks represented. It's no different that changing what country music or jazz is because there aren't 'enough' Asians in their halls of fame.
Black musicians in North America went into a lot of other areas and created wonderful music but it doesn't mean that they get a free pass into a genre-specific hall of fame because you want to see more blacks there.
The fact that some people even think this is an argument is sheer lunacy.
I lost count of all the times Fusionfan said Iron Maiden shouldn’t go in the Jazz Hall of Fame in the thread.
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