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Post by bradman on Jan 16, 2020 22:44:22 GMT
Stream the Deluxe version for great alternate mixes, there are many. Hit up YouTube for a few extra versions of There She Goes.
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Post by daved on Jan 17, 2020 0:34:38 GMT
The only person more fucked in the head than Chee is Pete Rose:
Chee:
Da fuq. He’s not in the hall because he BET ON THE GAMES!
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Post by Sanjay Gupton on Jan 17, 2020 3:06:42 GMT
I've honestly never heard of The La's until this thread. I just Googled them. Are you referring to the self titled album from 1990?
I don’t love it as much as the others do, but it is great. You will surely know There She Goes when you hear it. I think it's a good album, but it's like T. Rex' Electric Warrior. The first time you hear it it's fantastic. Every time after that it's not as good as the first time. It's weird. It's like it slowly unravels or something. Those two albums have just always been like that to me. It's not familiarity, because there's a ton of records I'm familiar with that I love, but those two have that affect to me.
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Post by daved on Jan 17, 2020 14:10:49 GMT
Now they're comparing athletes to musicians.
The biggest issue with that shithole is they should have just called it a museum and fuck the hall of fame garbage. I don't see a Painter's Hall Of Fame. It's art. It's way too subjective.
But what the fuck do I know.
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Post by kingdiamond on Jan 17, 2020 15:19:19 GMT
Skip Spence was influential? What a fucking bubble those Shites live in. Outside of that place, I've never heard anyone utter his name. He was the west coast Syd Barrett. I'm not a Pat Benatar fan at all, but even I know she belongs in there more than that burnout. Fuck me, now I'm arguing about the Hall of Fame...
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Post by daved on Jan 17, 2020 16:22:34 GMT
Skip Spence was influential? What a fucking bubble those Shites live in. Outside of that place, I've never heard anyone utter his name. He was the west coast Syd Barrett. I'm not a Pat Benatar fan at all, but even I know she belongs in there more than that burnout. Fuck me, now I'm arguing about the Hall of Fame... I had to Google him.
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Post by respiratoryproblems on Jan 17, 2020 17:44:46 GMT
As a devout Mojo reader in the late 90s, I know who Skip Spence was, and the shorthand version is that he was the least talented member of Moby Grape, a group not exactly renowned for being overflowing with genius songwriters or players.
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Post by kingdiamond on Jan 17, 2020 17:51:15 GMT
As a devout Mojo reader in the late 90s, I know who Skip Spence was, and the shorthand version is that he was the least talented member of Moby Grape, a group not exactly renowned for being overflowing with genius songwriters or players. Which begs the question, how was he influential? I don't mind admitting I love that first Moby Grape album, but I don't think it has much to do with him. I always thought of him as a broken cult figure, like Nick Drake or Syd Barrett, but not as talented as either of them. I haven't heard that solo album so maybe I'm missing out.
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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Jan 17, 2020 19:06:51 GMT
In the same way Debbie Boone was the greatest artist of the late 70s, with her dominating single. You've really jumped the shark comparing Whitney Houston to Debbie Boone. Compared to the sharks you have jumped throughout, he is a piker; "Whitney Houston's "I Wanna Dance With Somebody" could have been a 1950's or 1960's rock 'n' roll hit" It's impossible to even engage with such incoherence. Nothing says rock ‘n’ roll like Whitney Houston The author of the silly piece (from best to Jon Bovi) is clearly young and lacks the insights that would have come from being there at the time. Case in point: Chicago, which places only a few slots from the absolute bottom of the list, is described as a band that started as jazz-rock, and then sold lots of records in the '90s. In fact, they were extremely popular--and influential--in their first decade. But if you weren't there, maybe you didn't figure that out from whatever Cliff's Notes you read. Also, if you're gonna rank Miles Davis really high, he should be higher. I mean, he didn't have much influence on rock--if that's the criterion he should be pretty low. He also never sold much--if that's the criterion he'd be close to dead last on the list. If you're ranking him high because he's MILES EFFING DAVIS and for his importance (to jazz), then you have him too low. And I have never heard anyone but this author assert that Whitney Houston was THE greatest female singer of all time. But she did like her long tall glasses of wine up to yar. I dunno. Has anyone ever worn their jeans backward better than Kris Kross? Aretha Franklin once said, "They are the most talented and greatest backward jeans-wearing bands I ever seen stand next to a microphone." What I don't get is why Wanda Jackson is an "early influence", despite being younger than Elvis She's directly responsible for a number of rock hits, including "I Wanda Know What Love Is." So she had to be inducted before they could consider Foreigner. :laugh: and of course, I Wanda Dance With Somebody. The list of the artists not in the rock hall of fame are more rockin' than the list of peiple in it at this point lol This "institution" just has always been silly and trite to me. And un-rock at its core - I truly feel like a name change to "Contemporary Music Hall of Fame" would alleviate a lot of the controversy regarding "how is this un-rock person in while these actual rockin' folks are not" I know it is fully "Rock and Roll", however I just think that "Contemporary Music HOF" would be much more apt and would really make more sense This is why I have been saying for years if this was a "Contemporary Music Hall of Fame", it would go so much more smoothly and peacefully I just think that if this institution was named the "Contemporary Music Hall of Fame" it would have solved pretty much anything on the genre specific complaints and would be a more aptly named institution as opposed to having to try and figure out why the committee thought Janet Jackson or Whitney Houston embodies rock and roll or somehow had something to do with it as an inspiration or the one inspiring, more than Soundgarden, for example It certainly wouldn't solve the fact that needing a committee and institution like this to indict and "deem" worthy is the most un-rock and roll thing ever, but at least it would seem less arbitrary lol Actually, I'd be impressed if T-Rex could get arrested in America--or anywhere--at this late date. Do they still dig people up to arrest them? Likewise, it would probably be hard to arrest Whitney Houston. Tull, and j Geils w the f is going on Why do I bother clicking on these R&R HOF threads? All they turn out to be are a bunch of old farts whining about how their favorite rock band didn't get in because some non-rock artists got in instead. Or, they hate Rolling Stone. Or, how they should change the name. Or, how they hate a certain type of music. Have fun with your bitchin'. I'm outta here! see ya and don't come back and don't call this old fart a whiner it's not whining when good artists get ignored and garbage artists are praised Isn't there a pledge to change the name of the museum to Pop Music Hall Of Fame? It's because of the backlash that it actually isn't "rock and roll" only, obviously. Someone needs to throw a few rocks at their glass windows to teach 'em a lesson that they sux. Quit acting like we're dumb for asking why Whitney Houston, Aretha Franklin, Bill Monroe, & Bob Marley & about 3 dozen others are in and many others aren't. One is pop, the other is R&B, another is country, & the last is reggae. Not even close to rock. The biggest breakthrough in rock and roll, what built classic rock, was FM radio. Yup, the Beatles opened the door and then underground FM radio blew the doors off. FM stations played music AM wouldn’t dream of, or if AM played it it was eons late (kind of like terrestrial radio today if you think about it, stuff breaks on streaming services). As a result of FM we got extended songs. We got side-long opuses. We got album-length extravaganzas. Yup, there’s more rock and roll in “Thick As A Brick” than in any song by Whitney Houston EVER! But Jethro Tull can’t be in the Rock Hall because Ian Anderson is not warm and fuzzy and the band stole that Grammy from Metallica, even though that was the mistake of the ignorant Grammy voters, not the band. Have you listened to “This Was”? A blues-rock masterpiece. I mean if you’re lauding Peter Green… And “Stand Up” is enough to induct any band. As for “Aqualung”… And if Kiss can get in based on popularity…were you alive in ’71, “Aqualung” RULED! “Cross-Eyed Mary” still populates classic rock radio, somewhere Whitney Houston was never played. You're a shining example of an incoherent revisionist. No one has ever claimed Houston had anything to do with rock or rock and roll. It's truly amazing how all it takes is a 'hall of fame' for the nutters to come out of the woodwork and make ludicrous contentions. Whitney Houston's pop is no more rock than Mariah Carey's or Celine Dion's which is to say not at all. Led Zeppelin are a big part of what rock became. It shouldn't be necessary to state such banalities but there you have it. You sure like to throw around the "Boomer" put-down in this thread, don't you? Just saying Boomer doesn't negate your opponent's viewpoint, FYI, it just shows you have a Millennial predilection to only tolerate opinions that you agree with. Sadly, if your moniker is your birth date, your Gen X like me, bro, no need to prove your hipster street cred. The "demigods" you listed above were better and had more influence than B.I.G. and they all had more to their respective careers than two albums... But it's called the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. WH and Biggie don't quite mix with AC/DC or Metallica just like Diana Ross doesn't quite mix with Black Sabbath. They should just rename it to the Music Hall of Fame if they're gonna ignore the Rock & Roll part of the name anyway. It's like making a top 50 best horror movies and you sprinkle in the occasional Spaceballs or a Titanic. Then just make it the best 50 movies in general at that point. :rant:
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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Jan 17, 2020 19:18:22 GMT
Do Ray Charles, Aretha Franklin, Sam Cooke, The Platters, The Drifters, The Shirelles, The Supremes, The Mamas & the Papas, Clyde McPhatter, Smokey Robinson, Bobby Darin, LaVern Baker, The Impressions, Ruth Brown, Al Green, Solomon Burke, Donna Summer, Martha & the Vandellas, The Moonglows, Gladys Knight & the Pips, lead more clearly to Whitney Houston or more clearly to The Sex Pistols? They also lean more clearly to Keith Sweat than to The Who. So should Keith Sweat be in?
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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Jan 17, 2020 19:43:02 GMT
We're talking about giant, beloved, influential artists who started making records more than 40 years ago, but people should just be patient? If you want to understand much of the aggravation about Whitney Houston's induction, you just hit it on the head. Acts that require people to twist themselves into pretzels to justify walk right in while actual rock pioneers are told to wait their turn. And, as in lemmy and dio's case, go to their graves without the honor. (not that lemmy or Dio gave a crap about it, of course. But their fans do)
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Post by mintyjackhole on Jan 17, 2020 19:44:39 GMT
Chicago should definitely be in the Salvation Army Brass Band Hall of Fame.
All these people who don't listen to Miles Davis, but listen to as ton of rock musicians that listen to Miles saying he didn't have an influence on rock cracks me up. Don't tell MYKE you wouldn't get the Allmans without Davis.
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Post by mintyjackhole on Jan 17, 2020 19:46:54 GMT
Also. I have a very high Moby Grape tolerance, but I Skip Spence is a true lesser light in the damaged rock burnout category. I have a download of his album and I've never made it all the way through.
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Post by Holly Diver on Jan 17, 2020 20:41:13 GMT
It's usually lumped in with outsider artist albums by the likes of Fischer and The Shaggs. I think the problem is that Spence should have known what he was doing.
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Post by respiratoryproblems on Jan 17, 2020 21:19:59 GMT
Yeah, that seems pretty much it- he’s got a decent song in that first Grape album (which is good, but seems to be a fluke as everything they did after is barely passable or outright bad), but Oar is just…uninteresting.
Even Tom Waits’ cover of Book Of Moses is fairly ordinary, when you’d assume he’d try and do something novel with what’s supposed to be outsider music.
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