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Post by Boozin' Susan on Jun 1, 2018 13:48:25 GMT
I’ve only seen the original trilogy a handful of times. Rewatching them as an adult I can confidently say that from an artistic standpoint they should have just killed the series off in 1980 after empire was released. But obviously there was way too much money to be made releasing shitty sequels, prequels, and digital recuts. Oh, c'mon... You gotta add Jedi to the mix as well. Yub Nub is epic...(OK, not epic. But, it makes me smile.)
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bradman
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Post by bradman on Jun 1, 2018 13:54:48 GMT
Truly awful.
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Post by Boozin' Susan on Jun 1, 2018 14:06:25 GMT
What's really awful was listening to the boys at school drone on and on and on about that Boba Fett character from the second film. They talked about him like he was the goddamn star of the film. (I think it might have had to do with some sort of toy as well.) Watching that asshole get unceremoniously offed in Jedi was satisfying. And I had thought the ewoks were cute...
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Post by bradman on Jun 1, 2018 16:15:48 GMT
It was always the toys first for Lucas after the first film hit, how characters would present and sell to children was paramount.
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Post by Chicken in Black on Jun 1, 2018 22:07:06 GMT
On the original Star Wars, Lucas was smart enough to make a deal with Fox that left him with full property of the toys and other licensed products, which, until then, contributed very little to the income generated by a film. That's how he was able to greenlight Empire Strikes Back with his own funds (then the film went over budget, and he had to cut another deal with the studio). On Return of the Jedi, he was also limited by the cost of his divorce (which was a factor that later resulted into selling the computer imagery division of ILM, where people were too stubborn, to Steve Jobs, who renamed it Pixar), hence the reuse of the Death Star, to save money.
In the entire series, there are just two entries that are beautifully directed, Empire Strikes Back and The Last Jedi. Everything else is either perfunctory (Lucas, as a director, had a few moments on Star Wars and Revenge of the Sith) or cringe-worthy, especially compared to what Spielberg was doing on Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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Post by hugofuguzev on Jun 2, 2018 5:13:20 GMT
Watching that asshole get unceremoniously offed in Jedi was satisfying. You don't even find out Boba Fett's fucking name until right before he dies...
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Post by aggressivebeta on Jun 2, 2018 14:11:28 GMT
Oh, c'mon... You gotta add Jedi to the mix as well. Yub Nub is epic...(OK, not epic. But, it makes me smile.) Jedi could have been way better than it was. They should have killed Han Solo off during the rescue and replaced the Ewoks with Wookies. The second death star is obvious that they were just being derivative of the first movie. Making Leia and Luke siblings completely destroys the continuity from the first film where they shared a kiss and makes it painfully obvious that Lucas was just making the shit up as he went. The end battle with Vader and Luke should've been way more epic than it was. The idea of Vader becoming a good guy at the very end and killing the emperor himself is so bad that it's comedic. Luke should have savagely killed both of them himself. The movie just sucked and would have been better off if never made.
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Post by Wanklein on Jun 2, 2018 17:30:08 GMT
mmm - you might be forgetting this is a kid's film (not that SHiTes would ever admit that).
That said it would have been better with the stuff you describe but also if it had included these lost scenes.
1. Obi Wan Kenobi shooting up heroin 2. Princess Lea sucking off a Wookie 3. Yoda in a gimp mask 4. C3P0 turns evil and sets fire to RD2D
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Post by Aural Relations on Jun 3, 2018 3:22:45 GMT
5. Han Solo escapes up Leia's garbage disposal chute.
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Jun 3, 2018 4:51:43 GMT
Boba Fett and Bossk are shown to be gay lovers in a 7 minute scene that adds nothing to the plot, because Star Wars care more about making a socio-political/liberal point rather than delivering a good and believable story.
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Post by AnalogRearEnd on Jun 3, 2018 7:00:41 GMT
Because Space-gays are evul? Maga?
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Post by aggressivebeta on Jun 3, 2018 13:08:53 GMT
mmm - you might be forgetting this is a kid's film (not that SHiTes would ever admit that). That said it would have been better with the stuff you describe but also if it had included these lost scenes. 1. Obi Wan Kenobi shooting up heroin 2. Princess Lea sucking off a Wookie 3. Yoda in a gimp mask 4. C3P0 turns evil and sets fire to RD2D I think I saw #2 in a porno once I thought Episodes 4 and 5 were targeted towards kids and adults when they were released?
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Post by Wanklein on Jun 3, 2018 14:59:36 GMT
Actually I have no idea - I would imagine they are like Hoofer's place "Family Friendly".
I initially misread your early post and thought you had said the Luke should have savagely killed Vader, the Emperor and then himself which led me onto the trail of what would have happened if they had thought fuck it let's make this one really dark.
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Post by aggressivebeta on Jun 5, 2018 14:34:28 GMT
Actually I have no idea - I would imagine they are like Hoofer's place "Family Friendly". I initially misread your early post and thought you had said the Luke should have savagely killed Vader, the Emperor and then himself which led me onto the trail of what would have happened if they had thought fuck it let's make this one really dark. That wouldn’t have been so bad either. At least it would eliminate the possibility of being relentlessly marketed shitty sequels with Luke skywalker 35 years later
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Post by secretsauce on Jun 6, 2018 21:30:13 GMT
Things are heating up...
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