Felonious Spunk
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Digitals downstairs to push the anal logs upstairs
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Post by Felonious Spunk on Aug 22, 2020 19:22:44 GMT
I miss Barry Demented. If you needed an idea of how little thought went into the initial SeeDees that the Huffman love some much, Barry “reverse the channels” D was your guy. I still think his claims that his hearing almost topped out at 30 kHz and his wife’s near 23 kHz was one of the best things I ever read over there. The thread at the old place about that band he produced was the best. The flattest, dullest sounding shit I’ve ever heard. The band even had a look of bewilderment on their faces as they listened to it. The best part being all the words he used to make it sound like there was thought something behind it when the end result sounded like an average audience recording. Oh! And you could have bought it on a pressed CD or spent twice as much for a “slow burned” CD-R which had all the audiophool magic.
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Post by System Tweak on Aug 22, 2020 19:41:19 GMT
I miss Barry Demented. If you needed an idea of how little thought went into the initial SeeDees that the Huffman love some much, Barry “reverse the channels” D was your guy. I still think his claims that his hearing almost topped out at 30 kHz and his wife’s near 23 kHz was one of the best things I ever read over there. The thread at the old place about that band he produced was the best. The flattest, dullest sounding shit I’ve ever heard. The band even had a look of bewilderment on their faces as they listened to it. Think it was these guys:
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Post by mintyjackhole on Aug 22, 2020 20:43:03 GMT
I know you think that sounds like shit, but none of you fools have heard it on a slow burn CD. Diamented warned you.
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Post by jeatletoes on Aug 22, 2020 20:57:51 GMT
Must be the FLAC version. WAV version so much better.
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UDII
Cynthia
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Post by UDII on Aug 22, 2020 21:05:17 GMT
Whatever happened to Barry? I remember him being a staple target of the old place -- did he die or something? IIRC, the SHites stopped paying him the fealty he felt he was owed, so he took his ball and went home. It may have been more petty than that. It may have been just one person taking him to task. I really can’t remember. I just know he definitely left in a snit of some sort. He left because some people started calling him out on the garbage he was feeding them on sound enhancement. He did not like being called out and left immediately, people then started the "come back campaign" to no avail.
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Post by sₚⲁᵣₖydₒg on Aug 22, 2020 21:07:30 GMT
Steve Hoffman, Mar 10, 2002
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Post by Boozin' Susan on Aug 22, 2020 21:08:50 GMT
Giles Martin... The son of a Beatles icon... The man responsible for three widely-sold and celebrated Beatles remixes (not to mention an upcoming Rolling Stones remix). If there ever was a person destined to get under Steve “look at me!” Hoffman‘s skin, it’s poor Giles. Here are some of STeVE’s sour grapes: June 24, 2014: Yes, they are new stereo remixes from the original Abbey Road 4-track tapes. What Giles Martin did was pan the drums/bass center and split the 3 tracks of vocals and overdubs left and right somewhat. That's why on casual (non critical) listening it may sound more like widened mono or even spectrally manipulated mono. It's stereo just not the old fashioned stereo like the albums. August 10, 2017: Gave this a proper listen again. Giles, you're a genius! Using the mono as the template gives these recording so much power. These are the best versions of these songs available. An exchange from Sep. 3, 2017: I still enjoy the original stereo over the remix. By far. Me too. At least the original stereo BREATHES. Noted recording engineer Bob Katz says (on my Facebook page): " I never heard the mono mix and I loved the stereo album. I would have loved to hear a mix from the earlier generation made with total respect for the stereo original. Surely Giles has the elements. It'll never happen. Giles is a squisher. You would have heard more detail from the earlier generation elements without turning your compressors to stun. Sorry, that's my opinion. I also respect that Giles mix is a remix/new interpretation rather than a match/tribute to the old. So I'd throw the gauntlet to him or another producer to make a new mix that respects the old one much more." Up next, could I have inadvertently been lucky enough to discover a Hoffman Beatles-related lie so epic – yet so much of an afterthought on Daddy’s part – that it might even warrant its own thread? In the quote below, does STeVE actually claim to have been in the presence of a Beatles master tape? And did he actually claim to have played around with it? Look, we all know how Hoffman burnishes each of his ever-evolving lies with every retelling. But, if STeVE had actually been able to sit at a mixing board with the original Sgt. Pepper master tape, don’t you think have played that up for all it’s worth? Why is this the only place I’ve ever seen him make this claim? (The likely reason is it would be too easy to prove it’s pure BS, since the Beatles‘ master tapes are so highly protected and the paper trail of getting them out of the vaults is so documented.) ( Has this ever been discussed at Stereo Central? I’ve never come across it before.) Sep. 15, 2017: Agreed. The new mix is fun to listen to. They went through a lot of time and trouble to do it and I'm sure it was a pain in the butt from the first note to the last to recreate it but it's out there and the album is on the lips of even children now, so that's a good thing. (Nice run on sentence.) I've played it a few times and to me, it sounds nothing like the mono mix and I doubt that was the intent, no matter who says it is. I'm glad of that, actually. The mono mix is quite flawed and way too squashed, (1967 EMI style squashed) and the old stereo mix is the only one that actually breathes for me. That being said, the new version is way too compressed and limited. All the micro and macro dynamics have been squashed out of it, brutally, on purpose. All subtlety gone. Maybe that's what they had to do to get it to work, dunno. I don't like that. I once had about two hours to **** around with the four track and I couldn't get anything to sound good, it was shocking how much signal processing has to be done to get it anywhere like the original mixes, so hats off to Geoff and to Giles for getting through it then and now.But I play my Parlophone stereo LP the most. It's wired into my brain. The new mix is just a novelty to me. Fun, but that's about it. And it is way too compressed and limited. It can't, won't take the place of the original for me. No new mix could, even if I mixed it myself. That's just the way it is. Here’s Stevie going for a Trump-like “people are saying” load of bullshit: June 18, 2018: I keep hearing engineers like Giles talking about the old guard and the new guard/kids of today. He's worried that today's youth cannot sit still for two minutes, can't comprehend subtle stuff so it all has to be hammered right in front of them, etc. I can only go by my three kids and their friends. I spend many hours with them and I know this. When they listen to music (mainly in the car) they lose interest fast when the music is brickwalled. I mean, within a minute. But when I play an original dynamic old mix of the same music, they listen all the way through. Young people aren't stupid, ears are ears, set something on stun and it turns the brain off within a few minutes. Sad but true. To get someone young to pay attention, don't hammer the person with a monotone drone sound. That will never work, ever. November 28, 2018: What is your impression of the White Album reissue? Are you satisfied with what Giles Martin has done?
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Post by sₚⲁᵣₖydₒg on Aug 22, 2020 21:17:04 GMT
What a Scunt.
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Post by clancybgrassthethird on Aug 22, 2020 22:00:03 GMT
The Sgt.Pepper four-track stems have been floating around on the internet since the great Guitar Hero cash-in of 2007-8. I’d assume that 80% of the SHites must have them by now.
Two hours was probably about as long as someone proficient in ProTools was willing to tolerate Der Tonmeister barking orders at him about how to mix the songs.
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Post by Boozin' Susan on Aug 22, 2020 22:36:09 GMT
The Sgt.Pepper four-track stems have been floating around on the internet since the great Guitar Hero cash-in of 2007-8. I’d assume that 80% of the SHites must have them by now. Two hours was probably about as long as someone proficient in ProTools was willing to tolerate Der Tonmeister barking orders at him about how to mix the songs. Thank you for this little nugget of information. (I‘ll need to read up on that Guitar Hero thing. I’m not a video game aficionado...) That must be what Hoofy did, as there is no way anyone from EMI (or whatever conglomerate owns it now) would let Hoffman anywhere close to a Beatles master tape.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 23:32:33 GMT
Bob Norberg, the man who remastered many classic artists for Capitol seems to get a bad rap in Hoofyville. I guess I just don’t have the ears because take as an example the “Entertainer of the Century” released for Frank Sinatra I. 1998. They all sound perfectly fine to be me but alas, in order of comment dates ... First off is a question of why record companies fear STeVe so much. As STeVe says it, we must never make a criticism personal. So apparently what Bob Norberg does is considered evil? But at least STeVe never makes mistakes in his work? No soup for you! 14 years later STeVe apologizes to Bob Norberg. Was it to “bump” an old thread? Was it to show off the STeVie made a funny? Was it to apologize to the industry in order to try and get work?
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Post by audiopro on Aug 23, 2020 0:14:25 GMT
Bob Norberg liked to use delay to widen the sound of mono recordings. Think duophonic with the channels folded in a bit. His genuine stereo stuff can sound excellent, though.
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daved
Better than Steve
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Post by daved on Aug 24, 2020 11:46:59 GMT
The thread at the old place about that band he produced was the best. The flattest, dullest sounding shit I’ve ever heard. The band even had a look of bewilderment on their faces as they listened to it. Think it was these guys: Dumbford and Sons
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Post by Brick Wall on Aug 24, 2020 18:16:34 GMT
Has there ever been any independent confirmation of this? I ask because any time a shadow falls on one of Hoffman's projects, it magically turns out someone else took it away and fucked it all up. For what it's worth, only Hoffman is credited in the booklet. No Bob Norberg to be found anywhere. The Cee Dee was reissued by S&P in 2003 and it still credits Hoffman.
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Post by audiopro on Aug 24, 2020 23:07:07 GMT
The thread at the old place about that band he produced was the best. The flattest, dullest sounding shit I’ve ever heard. The band even had a look of bewilderment on their faces as they listened to it. Think it was these guys: I'm on a mono iPad at the moment, but I think this is the video where the stereo image is reversed from the positions they're seen in. I thought that was a fucking genius touch.
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