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Jan 25, 2018 20:45:41 GMT
Post by Mediocrates on Jan 25, 2018 20:45:41 GMT
Lots of piss and vinegar in this chap, on display here: forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/do-you-think-high-res-audio-is-an-audible-improvement-over-cd-quality-sound.724264/page-24
enfield: Or we have a community not willing to fall for snake oil anymore or the latest fad.And who trust their own ears and trust the science.
missan: I don't think that is the reason, I think if there are differences they are totally unimportant.
Metralla: He owns a Naim CD5si (1000 GBP) and a Naim Nait 5si (925 GBP). A very nice kit that you would not expect from a "hi-fi denier".
I have another question as follow up to this one. Can anyone else tell the difference between the colors blue and green?
I just looked at the poll results and it looks like we officially do NOT have a community of audiophiles on these forums anymore which is pretty much the death of this place.
enfield: Or we have a community not willing to fall for snake oil anymore or the latest fad.And who trust their own ears and trust the science.
And who are unable to hear sonic differences because their systems or ears aren't capable.
missan: I don't think that is the reason, I think if there are differences they are totally unimportant.
Im sorry but you seem to not be an audiophile if you think minor improvements are unimportant. Small differences pretty much makes up 90% of the differences that people spend a lot of money on once you get beyond the high quality of basic high quality equipment
The prob is it is a dumb conversation unless between people of same viewpoint. Much like politics, the people here who say there is no difference don't change their minds. Those who hear a difference are same so whats the point? I dont see anyone learning anything and those who dont hear difference wuth hi res are just bashing people enjoying it.
However, since the discussion is being had, and I can hear the difference with hi res, I have to assume that others can't tell difference due to some type of limiting factor. Its like a bunch of people arguing about whether or not sunshine makes you happy, with bunch of pale people bitching that you dont really like the sun. Or are the non believers reaching out for help to understand? If so, I offer up thst it's your system or your ears.
However, since the discussion is being had, and I can hear the difference with hi res, I have to assume that others can't tell difference due to some type of limiting factor. Its like a bunch of people arguing about whether or not sunshine makes you happy, with bunch of pale people bitching that you dont really like the sun. Or are the non believers reaching out for help to understand? If so, I offer up thst it's your system or your ears.
If you are questioning people's ability to differentiate between fantasy and reality, you would be more helpful in an abnormal psychology forum. I'm personally sick of seeing people like you who are basically hi-fi deniers polluting these hi-fi forums. This is a somewhat new thing that seems to coincide with the millenial vinyl fad. You need to check out "A/V Forums" website. I seriously think you will be happier there.
Metralla: He owns a Naim CD5si (1000 GBP) and a Naim Nait 5si (925 GBP). A very nice kit that you would not expect from a "hi-fi denier".
It's still hi fi denial. I know someone who believes the world is flat despite having completed college and having all the knowledge at his disposal to confirm otherwise. Something with him prevents the info from being processed.
I looked at your profile and I don't see an SACD player in your components. How are you listening to SACD? It's interesting that the two (2) main nay-sayers here both don't list SACD players. I have to assume they have DACs that can interpret the SACD layers? I see forums online about RuneAudio (Robert C uses) wishing that the software could play SACD.
You don't list an SACD player and I don't see the HITACHI headphones you list (Hitachi EPH-100) when I search for them on internet. I do see that model for a cheap pair of Yamaha ear buds though. Is this what you listen through? If so, mystery solved.
www.amazon.com/Yamaha-EPH100SL-EPH-100SL-Inner-Ear-Headphone/dp/B00591GIMY
www.amazon.com/Yamaha-EPH100SL-EPH-100SL-Inner-Ear-Headphone/dp/B00591GIMY
OK, then it's your ears. You choose. It's not snobbery either. You're the one going around telling people with much better systems than you that they are imagining things. That's a hell of a lot more rude than me telling you that you are missing out on something. Before looking, I told you that the prob was either your ears of your system. I'm sure the ear buds sound nice but they are an obvious weak link.
OK, you are right and all the record companies and all of us are hearing things. You need to go read more about digital playback and what is required to hear the true definition capable from it. The DAC in my player although good, is nowhere near what the record companies use to create hi-res files, and can not get the resolution that their files hold. However, I can STILL hear an obvious difference with hi-res when it is done properly. This also means that you are not going to necessarily hear a difference listening to a hi-res file of a vinyl LP that someone made using some cheap software and DAC.
Let me explain how I came to understand the reason why the hi-res files for the recent Led Zeppelin reissues sounded worse to me than the vinyl record, even though the vinyl was sourced from digital hi-res files. OK, so I bought the LZ vinyl reissues and they sounded fantastic. I learned that they were sourced from hi-res digital files so I assumed that the hi-res files HAD to sound better than the vinyl because these were the sources for the vinyl and transferring them to vinyl would absolutely cause some degradation. So when I heard that the hi-res files sounded inferior to the vinyl I became convinced that the record companies had purposely degraded the sound quality of the digital files so noone else could have them. After much denial and arguing with people I came to understand that the hi-res files for the reissues were made using a $250,000 DAC and very advanced software. You are NOT going to get sound quality from a $1,000-2,000 DAC that comes anywhere near the record company's DAC. I have noticed that the high end vinyl reissues nowadays sounds better (on worthy TTs) than the hi-res CDs, SACDs and digital files even though the vinyl were sourced from the digital sources. It's because analog recording does a better job of capturing hi resolution at a much lower price point than does digital. This is a fact. It is also a fact that digital is capable of capturing everything that analog does if it is done PROPERLY. This is NOT the case with 16-bit sources and the change in attitude about digitally sourced vinyl is very obvious. People are going nuts for the new MFSL and Analogue Production LPs. There are, of course, people also denying that digital can be as good as analog but they are mistaken much as you are that hi-res has no advantage over 16-bit. Sure 16-bit can sound great but 24-bit can sound better. Not immensely but enough to provide those outer "hairs" of the musical landscape (some of you know what I'm talking about) that people pay large amounts of money to reproduce in their living rooms, and which you seem to not be aware of. Sorry man, you need to grow out of it.
Let me explain how I came to understand the reason why the hi-res files for the recent Led Zeppelin reissues sounded worse to me than the vinyl record, even though the vinyl was sourced from digital hi-res files. OK, so I bought the LZ vinyl reissues and they sounded fantastic. I learned that they were sourced from hi-res digital files so I assumed that the hi-res files HAD to sound better than the vinyl because these were the sources for the vinyl and transferring them to vinyl would absolutely cause some degradation. So when I heard that the hi-res files sounded inferior to the vinyl I became convinced that the record companies had purposely degraded the sound quality of the digital files so noone else could have them. After much denial and arguing with people I came to understand that the hi-res files for the reissues were made using a $250,000 DAC and very advanced software. You are NOT going to get sound quality from a $1,000-2,000 DAC that comes anywhere near the record company's DAC. I have noticed that the high end vinyl reissues nowadays sounds better (on worthy TTs) than the hi-res CDs, SACDs and digital files even though the vinyl were sourced from the digital sources. It's because analog recording does a better job of capturing hi resolution at a much lower price point than does digital. This is a fact. It is also a fact that digital is capable of capturing everything that analog does if it is done PROPERLY. This is NOT the case with 16-bit sources and the change in attitude about digitally sourced vinyl is very obvious. People are going nuts for the new MFSL and Analogue Production LPs. There are, of course, people also denying that digital can be as good as analog but they are mistaken much as you are that hi-res has no advantage over 16-bit. Sure 16-bit can sound great but 24-bit can sound better. Not immensely but enough to provide those outer "hairs" of the musical landscape (some of you know what I'm talking about) that people pay large amounts of money to reproduce in their living rooms, and which you seem to not be aware of. Sorry man, you need to grow out of it.
Everything I said is correct. Yes, it is MUCH easier to get hi-fi quality from a decent TT set up properly than from a digital source. You are confusing the convenience of the set-up of a CD player to the cost involved with the source itself. It doesn't matter though because you are caught in a web of denial. I wasted my time trying to open your eyes to some facts that you are not capable of accepting at this time. Maybe someday you will have an awakening but you are def going to need to improve your system before that happens. In the meantime, why don't you skip over to A/V Forums. Everyone will agree with you there. You can def figure out best sources for free, kick ass MP3 sources there too. It's totally sweet. I'm done with you here. If anyone else wants to waste their time, enjoy.
The fact is that the purpose of the original poster's post was to engage people in a discussion about hi-res denial and act as a supporter of one side of the "argument". I'm personally tired of seeing these pointless threads about hi-res denial with the same people with poor components telling the rest of us that we are basically crazy.
BTW, the OP should list their digital player before starting up these smurf shows because they just have their digital front end listed as "CD" now.
BTW, the OP should list their digital player before starting up these smurf shows because they just have their digital front end listed as "CD" now.
So you think those sound better than Oppo BDP 105 with all the Modwright upgrades? I haven' heard them but the upgraded Oppo gets pretty stellar reviews. I'm "all ears" though. I'd have to compare those hi-res digital files of the LZ reissues to a $1,500 TT. My guess is that the CD players you mention won't resolve as well but I'm guessing only now. Your claim about a $600 player being able to resolve at level I'm getting with vinyl would be a giant surprise though , and those cd players would be considered "super giant killers". People aren' spending huge money on CD players because they are idiots btw.
You are also using very low-end equipment. Your amp is the all-in-one setup that I got for about $200 in Sam Goody in 1984. Your other components also look to be cheap. I'm not saying they are no good but this seems to be a very common thread with the nay-sayers.
So why did you join a hi-fi website and bother entering discussions about things beyond the glory days of 1980s CD quality? Please go find or start a deranged forum for that group of people. I will def check it out for a laugh like when I go onto the "Flat Earth Society" website every now and then.
Remember those wire audio recordings? That is the best sound quality on my 1930s dial radio setup. I can't hear anything better through it so you guys are all stupid idiots for thinking you are hearing anything better than I am. I think I need to start up my own wire recording forum.