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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Apr 4, 2018 17:26:20 GMT
I look at it this way. If the UK were suddenly nuked off the planet, c. 1970, the Beatles discography would still exist in the form of its American counterpart. That is a complete and, in some ways, more complete discography. Does that discography represent the UK discography precisely? No. Why should it? It's a completely different market, save for the shared English language. Have the sound characteristics and packaging been altered or invented? You bet. It is a bastardized version of the Beatles' recorded output - with some specially considered (and unconsidered) releases thrown in (the song/ mix/ release-date differences given to particular songs; the soundtrack albums and their 'extra' music; the extra-exploitative VeeJay and 'Story' albums, etc.). It is the American experience of The Beatles, a give and take relationship that was beyond remarkable. America was The Beatles’ ‘other woman’, in a sense - and she was a large and wild one, and they were really into her on just about every level, and vice versa. Together, they had the bastard child that was the American form of Beatlemania - and its scale was immense, and the joys were off the charts. Maybe those albums were only supposed to exist within that particular fairy tale - to be the life of the party and then have that life taken away so that things could look tidy and 'normal' when the wife got home. Something to hide in the end? 'You've Got To Hide Your Love Away'? A very English move to pretend that the love affair with those albums didn’t really mean much (thanks, Apple). I can see that side of it; it's messy; and the other potential reality of acknowledging and validating the 'other woman' is that it might spell heartbreak and marginalization.
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Post by essayceedee on Apr 4, 2018 17:50:29 GMT
Cool man, I can dig it. America was the Fabs' fat down low ho. It's a messy discography, reflecting all the times they metaphorically jizzed all over our face. Our kids were ugly as fuck too ("The Beatles vs. The Four Seasons", "The Beatles vs. Frank Ifield", "The Beatles vs. Mrs. Miller", you know them all and love them as much as I do). We just couldn't get enough though, the greedy slut we were.
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Post by antiram on Apr 4, 2018 18:25:09 GMT
I think he makes perfect, unadulterated sense. In fact, it is worthy of further study...
France was the saucy girl next door. Germany was the pervy older brother. Sweden was a brief high school fling. Japan was the seductive masseuse. Australia was the younger brother with ADD. South Africa was the racist uncle disinvited from family dinners. Canada was the distant cousin seldom seen. The Philippines was the mugger on the corner.
A true understanding of these relationships would be of use to Beatles scholars around the world, and the world would benefit.
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Post by AnalogRearEnd on Apr 5, 2018 1:33:04 GMT
Fuck off.
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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Apr 9, 2018 16:05:48 GMT
I'm going to make an educated guess that the general everyday practice of smoking a doobie and putting on a pop LP to take you somewhere, which I have a lot of experience with, and which is maybe the reason we are all here on a forum in 2018 talking about rock lps, (whether you ever smoked or not) originated with the US version of Rubber Soul. It wouldn't be the same with the UK version and I don't think it was. It is known to history as the "weed" LP, and I think this came from the US version.
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Post by banana on Apr 9, 2018 18:50:30 GMT
notesfrom writes...
As usual the SHites trying to defend their beloved US Beatles compilations are making UTTER PRICKS of themselves with their increasingly desperate and feeble arguments.
They started off just repeating the usual ludicrous and biased opinions spread around in the 90s by Sulpy and his poisonous 910 magazine. "Well Respected Man" has patiently and diligently corrected them on each and every point, so now, 50 pages later, they're really clutching at straws.
It's becoming increasingly hard for me to enjoy Beatles music these days, knowing that so many of their fans are such clueless fucking morons.
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Post by blahdiofile on Apr 10, 2018 1:23:39 GMT
It always gets me that they can't enjoy a thing without it having some kind of historical importance or it being the best of some category. "I like the US Rubber Soul because I do" doesn't do much to start arguments though, I guess.
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Post by hugofuguzev on Apr 10, 2018 5:17:06 GMT
I'm going to make an educated guess that the general everyday practice of smoking a doobie and putting on a pop LP to take you somewhere, which I have a lot of experience with, and which is maybe the reason we are all here on a forum in 2018 talking about rock lps, (whether you ever smoked or not) originated with the US version of Rubber Soul. It wouldn't be the same with the UK version and I don't think it was. It is known to history as the "weed" LP, and I think this came from the US version. Uh, Drad? Hate to break it to you, really I do, but potheads were sitting around getting high listening to fucking Louis Armstrong and Miles Davis etc years before Lennon and McCartney even picked up a fuckin' guitar. As much as some of these SHiTEs want to claim that the goddamn Beatles invented everything, stoner music -or even better, stoner music made by people were stoned themselves- did not start with fucking Rubber Soul...either the US or the bleedin' UK versions! Christ almighty...some of these fuckin' Beatards have no sense of perspective at all, do they?
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Post by MOUNT SUT on Apr 10, 2018 8:53:04 GMT
Hell, even McCartney referred to them as "Jazz cigarettes".
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Post by hugofuguzev on Apr 10, 2018 9:19:49 GMT
Hell, even McCartney referred to them as "Jazz cigarettes". Hey, toking up and throwing on an old Beatles or Floyd LP is one thing, toking up and throwing on some Miles or Coltrane is something else entirely. "Jazz cigarettes" indeed.
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Post by banana on Apr 10, 2018 9:50:41 GMT
Facts mean nothing to Beatards when it comes to defending the US albums. They are just better - end of story. The fold-downs, the duophonic garbage, the superfluous soundtrack muzak, the crap sleeve designs.....all MUCH better than the UK editions.
Artistic integrity? What's that? The Beatles obviously didn't have a clue how to sequence and present their own albums, and needed the butchering Dave Dickster treatment to make them truly shine for the oh so special US audiences.
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Post by Felonious Spunk on Apr 10, 2018 13:36:06 GMT
Uh, Drad? Hate to break it to you, really I do, but potheads were sitting around getting high listening to fucking Louis Armstrong and Miles Davis etc years before Lennon and McCartney even picked up a fuckin' guitar. As much as some of these SHiTEs want to claim that the goddamn Beatles invented everything, stoner music -or even better, stoner music made by people were stoned themselves- did not start with fucking Rubber Soul...either the US or the bleedin' UK versions! Christ almighty...some of these fuckin' Beatards have no sense of perspective at all, do they? Double ironic considering Drad Dog named himself after a fairly obscure Miles tune. But yeah, for too many just liking the Beatles isn’t enough. They have to be the first, the best, whatever.
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Post by banana on Apr 12, 2018 22:30:01 GMT
^^^ Yep. SHit-head "notesfrom" is on an absolute crusade to prove that America was the best at everything regarding the Beatles albums. There are no depths he won't stoop to in order to prove his point, seemingly completely oblivious as to how much of an arsehole he's making of himself.
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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Apr 13, 2018 17:21:04 GMT
Well, if THAT'S true, then people who were not even born before the Beatles broke up are Second Generation Fans. One Generation Removed. And some people who were not around during American Beatlemania in the mid Sixties, which involved Capital Records...clearly have stridently strong opinions. And maybe some regret about what they missed. Or just don't realize what they missed. You had to be there.Correction: Capitol Records. Bolding is his.
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Post by MOUNT SUT on Apr 13, 2018 20:27:28 GMT
Well that statement contradicts the statement DRM makes about later generations of Beatles fans. If they weren't there, why would they give a flying fuck? I was there and that's how I feel about the Capitol albums.
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