Suddenly Johnny Marr is a whipping boy over at the Shitehole. I love the guy as a guitar player and a human being. Those idiots are still pining for a Smiths reunion. As if.
Man, that is one SHiTE thread. They try to peg Marr as an underachiever because he's done so much session work. If you look at who has collaborated with Marr and compare it to the crew dueting with Moz on his upcoming album, I think Marr wins the day quite handily, even if you don't give him a mulligan for Modest Mouse.
Post by respiratoryproblems on May 18, 2019 20:31:24 GMT
Mercifully I managed to not give a hoot about The Smiths until my early twenties (and they were long disbanded), and with a couple of exceptional songs (The Queen Is Dead, Last Night I Dreamt…, Death Of A Disco Dancer, one from Meat Is Murder that I can’t remember right now), I very easily went back to not giving a shit, nor money or attention towards that prick of a singer.
The 'I got Roundup on my pinkie' thread is even more fun
Any quoats worth poating here for those of us without access to the world of off topic threads?
Pretty much the entire thread:
I use the stuff very infrequently: perhaps once a year to zap the weeds that grow up between the pavers in my driveway in the spring. I have a small bottle in concentrate form that advises 1 part Roundup: 10 parts water, and I use an old spray bottle for this. The two times I've applied it previously, I have used a nitrile glove on my spraying hand, but it slipped my mind to wear a glove today. About half-way into the 10 minute job it occurred to me that my "trigger hand" was saturated in the solution due to a leaky spray mechanism.
After quickly finishing up, I went right inside to wash my hands...over and over.
A google search proved curiously inconclusive. Is the danger with Roundup/glyphosate an issue of long-term exposure and/or ingestion, or may I have put myself in peril due to the chemical being on my hand for a few minutes?
Tim S said:
There's conflicting science on the safety of roundup - BUT none of it that I know of accounts for exposure to concentrate.
You did the best thing you could. I'd ask your doctor tomorrow or asking him/her to point you toward some reliable research.
Please, please don't listen to the multitude of chemical alarmists on this forum.
Best of luck and I don't think you are in peril - but you need some solid information.
Just to make clear, I did not get the concentrate on my hand. I mixed the 1 part/10 parts last year, and I still had enough in the little spray bottle left over from last time to do the driveway pavers today. It was the 1:10 diluted mixture I got on my hand.
To the OP - Hoping that there isn’t anything for you to worry about.
This “chemical alarmist” recommends everyone to avoid using Roundup completely.
The last I heard, backyard weeds may be an annoyance, but they aren’t attacking people nor do they cause cancer.
Jury awards couple $2 billion in Monsanto Roundup cancer lawsuit trial
Point taken. Going forward, I think I will spend the extra time and pull them out.
I think that’s the wisest move...
After news broke of the court decisions, I can’t imagine anyone still willingly chose to use such a product.
Here’s a substitute solution, that may work. The total cost should be $3 to $4. (The best part - there’s absolutely no adverse side-effects.)
How to Use Vinegar & Salt As a Weed Killer Written by Debra L Turner; Updated December 09, 2018
Vinegar has proven itself an effective weed killer. Like most commercial herbicides, it’s nonselective, not caring whether it kills weeds or your petunias. Unlike commercial weed killers, vinegar is eco-friendly and won’t harm people, pets or the environment. Vinegar’s only real drawback in certain cases is that it has no residual action, so new weeds soon arrive. Permanent removal is occasionally desirable for stubborn weeds in gravel drives and paths as well as cracks and crevices in walkways and sidewalks. Add common table salt to vinegar to destroy weeds for good in these trouble spots. Just make sure to never pour the salt mixture on soil, as the solution will make sure that nothing grows in that spot again.
I just use straight white vinegar on weeds.
Boiling hot water will kill weeds too.
John Buchanan said:
Very unlikely that there will be any problem. The 3 cases cited were all after frequent usage at very high concentrations over many years, and there is still no definite link (but it would be prudent to be cautious about that (i.e. use gloves and a mask).
A year or two back I did try using vinegar and then a mixture I'd read about containing vinegar and Dawn dish soap, but neither seemed to work.
Did you try with a mixture of vinegar and salt ?
You will be fine. I would equate it to a nonsmoker who was exposed to secondhand smoke at a concert or club for an evening... I subscribe to the belief that we should all eat as organic as possible and lead as chemical free lives as we can, but having spent much of my life around large scale agriculture, I don't know that we appreciate just how much glyphosate (Roundup's active ingredient) is in our daily lives. The farmer I worked for bought 55 gallon drums of super-concentrate, which was sprayed onto fields used for growing wheat. Hopefully, we as a species move away from the widespread use of chemicals, but it seems the trend is in the opposite direction. I would guess the chemicals are related to the decline of bees and the consequences associated.
Glyphosate Now the Most-Used Agricultural Chemical Ever - Newsweek
From what I've read on the subject, I don't think there's any chance that your new nickname will be "Lefty". It would've been swell for the manufacturer to explicitly warn us of the dangers of this product back in 1976!
I used to use it, so did my dad. I won't use it or any similar product anymore.
Can't let anything get in the way of a company making money.
I bet it got your weeds squeaky clean...
Agricultural professor here. I do pesticide applicator trainings. Direct a research farm with both organic and non organic plots. Teach pesticide regulation in my Agriculture Policy and Ethics class. Sometimes I even do the spraying myself. Occasionally glyphosate (Roundup). GLY is among the safer pesticides out there, despite the lawsuits and media claims. You still need to treat it appropriately and wear the protective gear listed on the label. Minimum, long pants and shirt, waterproof boots and gloves. But trust me, with contact like you had, you'll be fine. I'm happy to share resources if anyone is interested, but given how hot the issue is now, going there might likely shut down the thread.
Vinegar does not have anywhere near the efficacy of herbicide. Concentrated acetic acid is pretty dangerous, too.
From your experience in dealing with weeds, what is the efficacy of vinegar? Vinegar and salt solution? Boiling water? What other options are effective?
Mostly worthless. Vinegar works on young, succulent, annual weeds if sprayed under sunny conditions. No effect on deep rooted weeds. Concentrated acetic acid is organic approved, only slightly better, and more dangerous to handle than roundup. Mulch is preferred in most cases, but you need to clean up the weeds before applying. Here's a fact sheet I wrote on non chemical weed management in orchards.
Yeah, vinegar and salt is supposedly the new age penicillin - it does everything. Not.
Dudley Morris said:
A one-time very short-term external exposure to a dilution won't have any effect.
Tourniquet and then sever the hand.
Tim S said:
Just BE SURE to destroy the hand afterwards
I realize I didn't address the salt thing. Just don't. Salt is toxic to plants at low doses. That's how it's purported to work as an herbicide. Problem is that the about of salt needed to be effective will also wreck your soil.
Part of your answer lies in the real truth to the problem. Roundup was manufactured by Monsanto. Monsanto was purchased by the Bayer company in 2018. Monsanto was the 800lb gorilla of agriculture companies and with that certain "allowances" were granted. Finding the real truth behind Roundup, and its effects, was almost impossible until just recently. What has been released, or learned, is still suspect and will take more time and research to certify and disseminate.
The truth is, we may never know the whole truth in time to make any appreciable difference to our lives if we are over 40 years old already.
With that in mind, take a few things to heart and play the game accordingly. Your skin is porous. Your skin will absorb certain things that come in contact with your skin. While hands are fairly resilient they do contain areas of absorption so wearing protective gear is just smart policy.
Currently the issues with Roundup revolve around long term exposure. Exposure to direct skin contact, aspirated lung contact, as well as ground water run off, and absorption in the foods grown that were exposed to Roundup. The exact exposure limit is currently speculation...use your best judgement.
Roundup, like any other products that have come and gone, worked well. The overall "cost" however could not be known until enough time has passed to prove the potential ricks.
The real issue now lies in what comes next. Will a reformulation be certified safe and distributed? Will Roundup go away completely only to have a different product take its place? A newer, better product just like Roundup was when released around 1974...a currently unknown product that will eventually be pulled 40 some odd years later when it too is released as found to be detrimental?
The rub here lies in the proof over time. Unfortunately it takes 30 years to find out what 30 years of exposure will do. By that time it is too late for those who have been exposed.
When you got the chemicals on your skin some of it was absorbed into your system. How much, and to what effect, only time will tell.
How? I've seen the movie. That dang hand just keep returning and MAN does it get around too.
I’m thinking of trying the “vinegar and salt method” on the weeds popping up in the driveway cracks, where nothing should grow.
This thread has got to be bumming STeVE out Everytime he goes on to his forum. He remembers the days when SHiTEs would make rediculous, boring lists of bullshit albums he should remaster...erm... EQ consult on. Those fickle SHites have moved on, even in their fantasies.