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Post by braindead on Sept 18, 2019 12:39:49 GMT
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Post by sₚⲁᵣₖydₒg on Sept 18, 2019 14:45:44 GMT
Listening to it now. Put aside your feelings about this band for a minute, guys. I of course assumed they were over-reacting. For once, their hyperbole is warranted. The whole things sounds "boxy" and muddy. That auto-tune on "Someday" almost sounds like a joke. Seriously, it really is fucking terrible. Was Jessup wearing a pair of Beats when he futzed with this?
Conversations like this don't add much credibility to the SHite's rants:
Grant: God it's awful! It's muffled muffled and distant, and, true to Steve Wilson, the horn section is muted. I really think he hates horns. I really do. I'm glad I streamed this first before wasting a dime on this pile of poo!
lukpac: What does any of this have to do with Steven Wilson?
Grant: Oh, he didn't remix this? I thought he did. Oh well, it's still awful.
Dr. Funk: I listened to both of the remixed tracks......Beginnings and I'm A Man on my Grado's. Hmmmm, I'm generally a fan of Wilson's remixes, but this one is a definite head scratcher.
MYKE: It's not a Wilson. :finger wag emoji:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 15:01:02 GMT
Whoa, that really is shit.
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Post by Sanjay Gupton on Sept 18, 2019 15:54:25 GMT
That's the extremely rare really noticeable difference in mastering (thought this was remixed, right? So that's probably more of it). These guys say the same kind of stuff when comparing a 1972 pressing of a record to a 1974 pressing. Yeah, they sound different. Slightly and maybe and probably no more than from a record pressed the same day but one in the morning and one at night.
The thing is they already have four different versions of "CTA." You'd think they'd be happy that they don't have to buy a fifth so they can be a completist.
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Post by daved on Sept 18, 2019 16:09:12 GMT
WTF!! That autotune is out of control.
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Post by sₚⲁᵣₖydₒg on Sept 18, 2019 16:33:50 GMT
That's the extremely rare really noticeable difference in mastering (thought this was remixed, right? So that's probably more of it). These guys say the same kind of stuff when comparing a 1972 pressing of a record to a 1974 pressing. Yeah, they sound different. Slightly and maybe and probably no more than from a record pressed the same day but one in the morning and one at night. The thing is they already have four different versions of "CTA." You'd think they'd be happy that they don't have to buy a fifth so they can be a completist. No, the whole thing is a real mess, not just this song. I know this album from its first release way back then - it was a Christmas present. Seriously. It all has very in-your-face terrible WTF mastering. Not slightly, not barely. It's really fucked up. I do hate to agree with those dolts but it's true. It sounds like shit. Even contrarian lukpac hates it.
There's actually more like over a dozen completely different versions of this album just on digital discs. The old Columbia, Rhino, MoFi, Quadio DVD, Quad SACD, this one, Mastersound...
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Post by respiratoryproblems on Sept 18, 2019 16:43:38 GMT
I guess I was feeling charitable when listening to it earlier and decided it wasn’t terrible. It felt a bit ‘off’ but I thought that was just the sound of it being unfamiliar.
It just seemed that the emphasis was more on the rhythm section and brass at the expense of the guitar and keys. It stands to reason that a bunch of whiny pensioners would be up in arms at the demotion of Terry Kath.
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Post by Holly Diver on Sept 18, 2019 17:02:46 GMT
He sounds like he's fucking yodeling.
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Post by sₚⲁᵣₖydₒg on Sept 18, 2019 18:02:45 GMT
When I read their lamentations, I assumed it had been all shiny and Giles Martin-ed up with heavier bass and percussion and generally more modern sounding super-clear mastering. In reality it sounds "off" -- distorted, yet subdued, mushy and lo-fi. Man, the horns sound weird -- I feel the opposite of what respiratoryproblems said about their over-emphasis. And that phasing on Free Form Guitar - why? That selection will always shine in its utter suckiness for all time anyway.
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Post by bradman on Sept 18, 2019 20:00:04 GMT
Well, Jessup says it's a re-imagining, and it is. It must be what the band wants, it's certainly nothing I would ever listen to. I love that some of those dildos thought it was Steven Wilson.
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Post by Sanjay Gupton on Sept 18, 2019 20:34:21 GMT
That's the extremely rare really noticeable difference in mastering (thought this was remixed, right? So that's probably more of it). These guys say the same kind of stuff when comparing a 1972 pressing of a record to a 1974 pressing. Yeah, they sound different. Slightly and maybe and probably no more than from a record pressed the same day but one in the morning and one at night. The thing is they already have four different versions of "CTA." You'd think they'd be happy that they don't have to buy a fifth so they can be a completist. No, the whole thing is a real mess, not just this song. I know this album from its first release way back then - it was a Christmas present. Seriously. It all has very in-your-face terrible WTF mastering. Not slightly, not barely. It's really fucked up. I do hate to agree with those dolts but it's true. It sounds like shit. Even contrarian lukpac hates it.
There's actually more like over a dozen completely different versions of this album just on digital discs. The old Columbia, Rhino, MoFi, Quadio DVD, Quad SACD, this one, Mastersound...
I think that's what I was trying to say. Didn't get much sleep last night and I think I was channeling my inner GtRan. I meant it as this version of CTA deserves the bitching. But they bitch about the most minute things so often, that if I hadn't listened to this and I thought it was something I wanted, I'd ignore them and get stuck with a crappy remix and remaster job. They really could do a service to the record buying community, but they make everything sound like the night and day differences that are so obvious here are the same as something like the difference between a Presswell or Monarch pressed record. That's what bugs me. They bitch like this about everything. I get that there's a large group of people trying to protect the value of their original pressings by declaring there's no possible way for any other version to be as perfect and near to the source as their original pressing. That's bullshit. I have plenty of reissues that are better than any original release I can find. Take Exit Stencil's Damnation of Adam Blessing albums. I've never found a really nice copy of their first two albums for what I wanted to spend, but I have a friend that has a beautiful copy of one. The reissues that came out a year or two ago are just better at a minimum of half the price of an original (usually way more). Even though the reissues are better, they aren't better enough that I'd buy one if I had an original, but they're definitely good enough that I'll pass on an original unless I find it cheap and can flip it. I think that kind of scenario is far more common than the CTA mess, but you'd never know it reading what the SHite's have to say about everything.
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Post by respiratoryproblems on Sept 18, 2019 20:45:43 GMT
The larger issue is that Chicago have become the poster band for carrying on a post-success career in the worst possible manner. Crappy albums (their next release will be their third Christmas record), outside writers, revolving door of personnel (more than ten members have been and gone since 2000, all the original members’ replacements have now been replaced), still arguing with Peter Cetera, remixing old albums - they’ve done nothing worth talking about for over 35 years but somehow still plough on for some reason and Hoofy’s gang talk about them like they are still relevant because three or four of the original band are still there.
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Post by mudflapslim on Sept 18, 2019 21:23:04 GMT
Makes me glad I thought they sucked from the first album.
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Post by sₚⲁᵣₖydₒg on Sept 18, 2019 22:11:29 GMT
So, Sanjay Gupton, in a nutshell I think we're in almost total agreement. "They bitch like this about everything."
It's "the boy who cried ear-bleeder..."
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Post by ledzeppelin2rl on Sept 19, 2019 0:00:16 GMT
So, Sanjay Gupton, in a nutshell I think we're in almost total agreement. "They bitch like this about everything."
It's "the boy who cried ear-bleeder..."
That's one thing they do very well. Some are real pros over there. It's like a feather in their audiophile hat to discover anything to cry about. One or two bitch sessions and it's a mob mentality over there.
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