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Post by gobshite on May 16, 2019 1:58:15 GMT
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Post by hoffa_nagila on May 16, 2019 5:14:43 GMT
If someone isn't going home with irreversible brain damage, can you even call it hockey?
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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Jul 11, 2019 16:40:07 GMT
I just read this today. Will a 90 minute classic eventually whittle down to 60 minutes & down to 30 minutes because something is considered socially unacceptable each year? Movies, TV shows, books & music should be exempt from such editing because they represent the times they were made! My opinion. Toy Story 2 Censored SceneCertain groups, with a certain mindset and a desperate need to be offended, or at least demonstrate how virtuous they are by showcasing their outrage, have been pressing the right people and changing the right minds to the point of censorship as you describe. There is a term use to describe such actions. The part I find dubious is what they allow without batting an eye, while being offended at many things that are blatant jokes, satire, or other methods of humor. Certain groups, with a certain mindset and a desperate need to be offensive, or at least demonstrate how victimized they feel by showcasing their outrage, have been pressing the right people and changing the right minds to the point of gaslighting the population at large. Pathetic! I remember this joke. I thought absolutely nothing of it. It remains harmless in my eyes today. And THIS is why I never have been and never will be in support of a certain you-know-what movement. this is only the beginning and will get worse...happens when you give nutjobs control...ppl need to grow a pair and put a stop to this sickness...sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me...remember that one? now names/words will not only hurt me they will ruin/destroy my life... This is going to be one of those situations where I'm not sure what's going to be funnier, the fact that someone felt that scene had to be cut or all the people declaring the end of the world because the scene was cut. Should be a good one either way though :laugh: I know a guy that flirts with the ladies like that. Every one of those ladies were never offended & found it humorous! Some of them flirted back because they wanted to join in on the fun. They've even thanked him for enlightening their day! The scene was put in as part of a film & has been part of the film for many years. Leave it in & leave it alone!!! People need to get back to reality! Film, books & music represent a time & place in history so it should not be tampered with. My opinion. It is the equivalent of book burning. The past should not be judged by new contemporary standards. We shouldn't forget or edit the past, we must examine and learn from it. It's a terrible, terrible trend that I don't think is going to end anytime soon. Corporations are at the mercy now of online mobs and have begun censoring any material that violates certain worldviews. Most troubling was the Simpsons' producers completely removing the Michael Jackson episode from circulation, long after the man is dead. It was the most reactionary response possible to the HBO documentary. It's one reason why I hold on to physical media. I’m tired of the hypersensitivity. Here’s how I see it: In the 60s, we “hated” something. In the 80s, we “weren’t happy” with something In the 90s we felt “challenged” by something In the New Millennium, we’re “allergic” to everything. It's good that people do freak out about such censorship though; otherwise it just further emboldens the neo-bluehairs. Next step: updated PC versions of the Toy Story films with new, "modern" tint for Woody and Buzz This kind of crap had been going on for a while. Many cartoon dvd's have been edited to protect the delicate sensibilities of a bunch of crybabies. Didn't Disney edit out Pecos Bill's cigarette a few years back? I believe the dvd's of Tom and Jerry have been edited for PC reasons as well. Howcum we have a PG movie rating...but, we don't have a PC...? :mad: That scene is creepy, somethings wrong if you don't feel queasy and to stick with it gives tacit approval to such behaviour. Something wrong if that scene on its own makes you feel queasy and any adult should know that to depict something is not to endorse it.
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Post by respiratoryproblems on Jul 11, 2019 17:46:08 GMT
What absolute crybabies. Whinging pricks.
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Post by daved on Jul 11, 2019 19:20:30 GMT
Stratfucker:
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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Jul 11, 2019 19:44:32 GMT
First they came for the sexual harassers, and I did not speak out, because I was not a sexual harasser. Then they came for the Beatles. No doubt The Beatles : Abbey Road cigarette will be airbrushed out of the cover for this years 50th Anniversary. And woe to "Run For Your Life" from Rubber Soul in some distant future. For I Want to Hold Your Hand's 20th anniversary in 1984, a ciggie was airbrushed out of Paul's hand by Capitol. IIRC Capitol wanted wanted to airbrush the cigarette from the cover of the release of Nat King Cole's Just One Of Those Things that our host worked on, but they successfully argued against it. There is a 1987 CD pressing out there with the cigarette airbrushed out so they've been thinking of stuff like this so they've been thinking of this for quite some time. Hmmm.. I watched that scene I laughed a lot.. Good luck trying erase that now that it's been brought up to everybody s attention.. real smart..:crazy::laugh: I can buy used copy of toy story original release on ebay or thrift store
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Post by overrated on Jul 11, 2019 20:29:31 GMT
That scene made me queasy 20 years ago. Post-Weinstein, etc., who can blame them for wanting to delete it. They're in the business of making money, not in the business of providing cheap laughs to dirty old men.
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Post by mintyjackhole on Jul 11, 2019 21:22:09 GMT
Well good old DillyDiaper and Ghostworld continue their race to see who can come up with the most incoherent of the bad takes. Meanwhile M****** doesn't get that the lives words are finally ruining are the dipshits' who say stupid, offensive shit...
...well except for Boss Tweet that is.
I'm offended that you're offended is not not being offended easily you boomer assholes.
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Jul 11, 2019 21:31:28 GMT
That scene made me queasy 20 years ago. Post-Weinstein, etc., who can blame them for wanting to delete it. They're in the business of making money, not in the business of providing cheap laughs to dirty old men. It's a post Lasseter Pixar.
This is mostly related. I used to watch a lot of Nickelodeon and many of the major live-action shows were produced/directed/written/created by Dan Schneider. If you want to feel like you need a shower, look into him. For years, allegations of misconduct, direct and indirect, have been whispered online. And even the shows themselves feature some pretty uncomfortable humor considering the cast AND target audience are young. And then I started watching Disney Channel shows. They somehow managed to make shows that were just as entertaining without any of the creepiness*, which really made me feel like I and other folks weren't just seeing something that wasn't there. Clearly Schneider's shows were setting off certain alarm bells. And suddenly, with no explanation, Schneider was given 7 million and fired. This stuff goes back over two decades too, to when he was possibly grooming Amanda Bynes. The characters on his show always felt a bit sexually exploited in their presentation, and the lack of this impression from the others shows on at the time make it feel all the more deliberate.
*The Selena Gomez vehicle Wizards Of Waverly Place did have some hints of incest... But then the original concept was not meant to be brother and sister, and the two stars had a relationship which didn't help their onscreen chemistry. The show did do a good job of downplaying it as the seasons progressed, giving both characters love interests (presumably their growing popularity also meant a bigger budget which meant they could afford a more robust supporting cast). And it doesn't seem like it was intentional in the first place. The fact that the characters were originally not intended to be related probably subconsciously influenced the writers.
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Post by AnalogRearEnd on Jul 11, 2019 23:33:13 GMT
"Corporations are at the mercy now of online mobs"
Yeah, god forbid that the world is run by the actual people who inhabit it, rather that a handfull of shitty corporations. Bootlicking piece of scum.
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Post by Chicken in Black on Jul 11, 2019 23:55:07 GMT
Look at poor Universal Music. They're now targeted by an online mob who wants to make them accountable for the 2008 archive fire and their dissimulation during 11 years. Leave Universal alone! It's a post Lasseter Pixar. For those who live under a rock, the jovial John Lasseter had a habit of groping every female employee he found attractive during meetings, and to make out with a few of them when he was drunk at corporate parties. He also didn't trust women or minorities at posts of responsibility. Lasseter was the creative head at Pixar who was also put in charge of the Walt Disney Animation Studios when Disney bought Pixar from Steve Jobs, prompting Disney to get out of the slump they were at the end of the Eisner era and to start their current series of hits. Jobs, along with a colleague who died in a car accident, had a calming influence on Lasseter, but worried about bits of personality Lasseter was starting to display and wanted Lasseter to be kept in check by other people. And if Steve Jobs thinks that you have a problematic and unpleasant personality, it means that you have a serious problem.
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Jul 12, 2019 1:37:46 GMT
Look at poor Universal Music. They're now targeted by an online mob who wants to make them accountable for the 2008 archive fire and their dissimulation during 11 years. Leave Universal alone! It's a post Lasseter Pixar. For those who live under a rock, the jovial John Lasseter had a habit of groping every female employee he found attractive during meetings, and to make out with a few of them when he was drunk at corporate parties. He also didn't trust women or minorities at posts of responsibility. Lasseter was the creative head at Pixar who was also put in charge of the Walt Disney Animation Studios when Disney bought Pixar from Steve Jobs, prompting Disney to get out of the slump they were at the end of the Eisner era and to start their current series of hits. Jobs, along with a colleague who died in a car accident, had a calming influence on Lasseter, but worried about bits of personality Lasseter was starting to display and wanted Lasseter to be kept in check by other people. And if Steve Jobs thinks that you have a problematic and unpleasant personality, it means that you have a serious problem. Meanwhile it was a woman who was able to recover the accidentally deleted files for Toy Story 2. Although they wound up trashing almost everything again, on purpose this time, to remake almost the entire movie. This is a great video about Toy Story 2 (and early Pixar in general, plus it touches on Lasseter's fall from grace.)
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Post by Ginuwine on Jul 12, 2019 2:00:26 GMT
That scene made me queasy 20 years ago. Post-Weinstein, etc., who can blame them for wanting to delete it. They're in the business of making money, not in the business of providing cheap laughs to dirty old men. It's a post Lasseter Pixar.
This is mostly related. I used to watch a lot of Nickelodeon and many of the major live-action shows were produced/directed/written/created by Dan Schneider. If you want to feel like you need a shower, look into him. For years, allegations of misconduct, direct and indirect, have been whispered online. And even the shows themselves feature some pretty uncomfortable humor considering the cast AND target audience are young. And then I started watching Disney Channel shows. They somehow managed to make shows that were just as entertaining without any of the creepiness*, which really made me feel like I and other folks weren't just seeing something that wasn't there. Clearly Schneider's shows were setting off certain alarm bells. And suddenly, with no explanation, Schneider was given 7 million and fired. This stuff goes back over two decades too, to when he was possibly grooming Amanda Bynes. The characters on his show always felt a bit sexually exploited in their presentation, and the lack of this impression from the others shows on at the time make it feel all the more deliberate.
*The Selena Gomez vehicle Wizards Of Waverly Place did have some hints of incest... But then the original concept was not meant to be brother and sister, and the two stars had a relationship which didn't help their onscreen chemistry. The show did do a good job of downplaying it as the seasons progressed, giving both characters love interests (presumably their growing popularity also meant a bigger budget which meant they could afford a more robust supporting cast). And it doesn't seem like it was intentional in the first place. The fact that the characters were originally not intended to be related probably subconsciously influenced the writers.
Buddy of mine worked on a lot of Schneider's Bakery productions and said that Dan was canned because he was constantly running over budget and his new shows/ideas just weren't killing it in the ratings like his older stuff did. All that on top of him acting like an asshole on set and getting in fights with the ADs and producers made his shelf life even shorter.
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Jul 12, 2019 2:33:50 GMT
It's a post Lasseter Pixar.
This is mostly related. I used to watch a lot of Nickelodeon and many of the major live-action shows were produced/directed/written/created by Dan Schneider. If you want to feel like you need a shower, look into him. For years, allegations of misconduct, direct and indirect, have been whispered online. And even the shows themselves feature some pretty uncomfortable humor considering the cast AND target audience are young. And then I started watching Disney Channel shows. They somehow managed to make shows that were just as entertaining without any of the creepiness*, which really made me feel like I and other folks weren't just seeing something that wasn't there. Clearly Schneider's shows were setting off certain alarm bells. And suddenly, with no explanation, Schneider was given 7 million and fired. This stuff goes back over two decades too, to when he was possibly grooming Amanda Bynes. The characters on his show always felt a bit sexually exploited in their presentation, and the lack of this impression from the others shows on at the time make it feel all the more deliberate.
*The Selena Gomez vehicle Wizards Of Waverly Place did have some hints of incest... But then the original concept was not meant to be brother and sister, and the two stars had a relationship which didn't help their onscreen chemistry. The show did do a good job of downplaying it as the seasons progressed, giving both characters love interests (presumably their growing popularity also meant a bigger budget which meant they could afford a more robust supporting cast). And it doesn't seem like it was intentional in the first place. The fact that the characters were originally not intended to be related probably subconsciously influenced the writers.
Buddy of mine worked on a lot of Schneider's Bakery productions and said that Dan was canned because he was constantly running over budget and his new shows/ideas just weren't killing it in the ratings like his older stuff did. All that on top of him acting like an asshole on set and getting in fights with the ADs and producers made his shelf life even shorter. I wish I could say that I stopped watching his stuff after Victorious ended but I totally kept up with Sam And Cat too. An entire show built around two flanderized supporting characters from previous shows. Jennette McCurdy (Sam) was going through a lot of personal issues and in a very public way, while Ariana Grande (Cat) was on the cusp of superstardom as a singer. They had outgrown the roles and really should have moved on. Not to mention that while the show was decent enough, it was a far cry from previous shows, which remain iconic parts of pop culture.
I still stand by my claim that his shows have a certain "ickyness" factor that was absent from other shows. I was too young at the time to be particularly bothered by it, but now some moments come off as creepy. Other shows, like on Disney, managed to to include some "adult" humor while still keeping kosher.
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Post by Ginuwine on Jul 12, 2019 3:05:55 GMT
Buddy of mine worked on a lot of Schneider's Bakery productions and said that Dan was canned because he was constantly running over budget and his new shows/ideas just weren't killing it in the ratings like his older stuff did. All that on top of him acting like an asshole on set and getting in fights with the ADs and producers made his shelf life even shorter. I wish I could say that I stopped watching his stuff after Victorious ended but I totally kept up with Sam And Cat too. An entire show built around two flanderized supporting characters from previous shows. Jennette McCurdy (Sam) was going through a lot of personal issues and in a very public way, while Ariana Grande (Cat) was on the cusp of superstardom as a singer. They had outgrown the roles and really should have moved on. Not to mention that while the show was decent enough, it was a far cry from previous shows, which remain iconic parts of pop culture.
I still stand by my claim that his shows have a certain "ickyness" factor that was absent from other shows. I was too young at the time to be particularly bothered by it, but now some moments come off as creepy. Other shows, like on Disney, managed to to include some "adult" humor while still keeping kosher.
Yeah I was mainly exposed to iCarly since my kids loved it and it was a legitimately good sitcom. Schneider is obviously an easy mark since he looks like a human Jabba the Hutt, but I would hope that if he did anything untoward towards anyone he would have been called out by now, especially given the age we live in. My friend said he didn't pick up on anything too creepy on set, just that, again, he was a huge asshole to work with. Hopefully we don't see a Surviving Dan Schneider documentary in 20 years.
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