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Post by hugofuguzev on Sept 17, 2018 12:37:42 GMT
How pervasive was Scientology in that realm? Didn't Chick Corea go so far as dedicate an album or two to L Ron Hubbard?
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Post by hugofuguzev on Sept 17, 2018 12:41:13 GMT
Spiritual jazz? Moog synthesizers and adopting Swahili names? I love that stuff. Bring it fucking on.
But it quickly ends in tears. Or worse, records like Head Hunters.
IMO other than "Chameleon" I thought Headhunters was a snoozefest... Thrust is better. I couldn't stand Herbie's early 70's Mwandishi/ Sextant stuff, though, except maybe as a cure for insomnia.
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Post by Boozin' Susan on Sept 17, 2018 12:50:26 GMT
I'm not a jazz aficionado, so I keep thinking this thread is about this guy:
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Post by respiratoryproblems on Sept 17, 2018 13:08:19 GMT
How pervasive was Scientology in that realm?
Fusion was the official soundtrack of Scientology back then. Chick Corea was (and still is) the most prominent name, and, presumably, a successful recruiter among the fusion hack crowd. L. Ron Hubbard himself had a fusion band and claimed to have "invented" this wonderful new music. Lots of burnout dolts fell for this: Stanley Clarke, Mike Garson, and hundreds of other lesser known names. Was Herbie Hancock a Scientologist at some point? Seems like he should've been. Or maybe he was too busy dropping 'ludes in drinks with his buddy Bill Cosby.
Herbie's been a Buddhist for a long time. However, it's ironic that my favourite 'spiritual' jazz record is this musical prayer service that was supposed to entice the youth back to Temple on a Friday night, featuring Herbie, Ron Carter and a bunch of other gentiles playing a score written by a rabbi's son.
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Post by dccblowup on Sept 17, 2018 13:11:14 GMT
I think you need to focus the Blue Note audiophile boomer d bag comments towads most of the 50s records (esp the mono recordings). I will respectfully disagree with the idol killing here, esp with respect to 60s Blue Note (and Trane). The music created by Dolpy (already memtioned), Andrew Hill, Cecil Taylor and Don Cherry, for example, are not only some of my favorite music, they are some of the most important music in the cannon, bar none. I do find he comparison between the original Swing Swang interesting. Most of the post-hoof involvement tends to be dismissed as too bright, harsh, etc.
But what do I know? I still listen to fusion.
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Post by dccblowup on Sept 17, 2018 13:14:10 GMT
The record Corea released was called Space Jazz. I had never heard that Mr. Hoover claimed to have created fusion. Link?
Hancock has been Buddhist most of his life. Never a scientologist.
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bradman
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Post by bradman on Sept 17, 2018 13:54:50 GMT
JAZZ FIGHT!
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Post by thisonehurts on Sept 17, 2018 13:59:39 GMT
How pervasive was Scientology in that realm?
Fusion was the official soundtrack of Scientology back then. Chick Corea was (and still is) the most prominent name, and, presumably, a successful recruiter among the fusion hack crowd. L. Ron Hubbard himself had a fusion band and claimed to have "invented" this wonderful new music. Lots of burnout dolts fell for this: Stanley Clarke, Mike Garson, and hundreds of other lesser known names. Was Herbie Hancock a Scientologist at some point? He always struck me as dumb enough to have been. Or maybe he was too preoccupied with more worldly concerns, like helping his buddy Bill Cosby drop 'ludes in drinks.
Attributing the wrong religion to Hancock is one thing. I'm not quite sure how you get from there to implicating him in date rape.
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Post by Chicken in Black on Sept 17, 2018 14:01:16 GMT
I like the Horace Silver record on Blue Note where he pays tribute to Steely Dan.
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Post by mintyjackhole on Sept 17, 2018 14:04:25 GMT
Dccblowup, I couldn't agree more about Hill, Dolphy, Taylor, Cherry Blue Notes etc... Indeed we are talking about the hard bop crowd. And I love a lot of that music too, and spiritual jazz and hell, Columbia era Thelonious Monk albums. Just not a lot of places to talk about the excesses or drawbacks of some of these admittedly really good musicians.
But I also know people who only have Out To Lunch because it is on Blue Note, and once they mention how harsh the RVG sounds they are out of things to say about it.
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Post by essayceedee on Sept 17, 2018 14:20:16 GMT
Jeez I like Headhunters, I must really be an idiot.
I'm not a huge fan of fusion per se, but I am a huge fan of 70's funk, so anything seriously funk-adjacent like that is in my wheelhouse.
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bradman
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Post by bradman on Sept 17, 2018 14:56:54 GMT
Yep, I like everything we're discussing.
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Post by blahdiofile on Sept 17, 2018 16:07:26 GMT
I like to snap my fingers instead of clap. Also, I dig jazz cigarettes.
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Post by Felonious Spunk on Sept 17, 2018 16:10:33 GMT
Yep, I like everything we're discussing. Same, but I’m just a string cheese eating moron.
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Post by thisonehurts on Sept 17, 2018 16:29:06 GMT
Until you've heard Tony Williams sing, you haven't heard jazz.
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