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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Nov 14, 2017 17:48:04 GMT
What are some unpopular/controversial music opinions you hold?Many 'white' cover versions are superior to the originals and are not all 'whiter than white bread' that some people make them out to be. They are all simply different interpretations of song, and all bring something different and unique. Do you have anything specific in mind? Some tracks where I prefer the cover versions (all my own opinion): Shout (Parts 1 & 2) - Johnny O'Keefe & The Dee-Jays (AUS) Yield Not To Temptation - Merv Benton (AUS) Gee Whittackers - Pat Boone (U.S.) (Crazy Little Mama) At My Front Door - Pat Boone (U.S.) Love Potion Number 9 - The Searchers (U.K.) Shop Around - Johnny Chester (AUS) Under The Boardwalk - The Rolling Stones (U.K.) You Got What It Takes - The Dave Clark Five (U.K.) Promised Land - Dave Edmunds (U.K.) I Hear You Knockin' - Gale Storm (U.S.A) There's probably more, but these are all of my personal opinion
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Nov 14, 2017 20:00:11 GMT
Kiss my black and white ass Goodiesguy.
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Post by Boozin' Susan on Nov 14, 2017 22:11:07 GMT
What are some unpopular/controversial music opinions you hold?Many 'white' cover versions are superior to the originals and are not all 'whiter than white bread' that some people make them out to be. They are all simply different interpretations of song, and all bring something different and unique. Some tracks where I prefer the cover versions (all my own opinion): Shout (Parts 1 & 2) - Johnny O'Keefe & The Dee-Jays (AUS) Yield Not To Temptation - Merv Benton (AUS) Gee Whittackers - Pat Boone (U.S.) (Crazy Little Mama) At My Front Door - Pat Boone (U.S.)Love Potion Number 9 - The Searchers (U.K.) Shop Around - Johnny Chester (AUS) Under The Boardwalk - The Rolling Stones (U.K.) You Got What It Takes - The Dave Clark Five (U.K.) Promised Land - Dave Edmunds (U.K.) I Hear You Knockin' - Gale Storm (U.S.A) There's probably more, but these are all of my personal opinion goodiesguy disproves his own argument when he claims songs covered by white artists are "not all 'whiter than white bread'", then lists a fucking Pat Boone song. So, go fix yourself a mayonnaise on Wonder Bread sandwich and get ready for the excitement crushing mediocrity as Debby's daddy takes on the El Dorados: <burp>
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Post by AnalogRearEnd on Nov 14, 2017 22:43:01 GMT
That's what I was thinking as well. Seriously, Pat Fucking Boone? I don't even...
Next up: How Vanilla Ice was totes less "white bread" than the Wu Tang Clan.
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Post by AnalogRearEnd on Nov 14, 2017 22:48:49 GMT
Ok, that "At My Front Door" is honestly the whitest thing I've ever heard. And I'm Scandinavian.
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Post by thisonehurts on Nov 14, 2017 23:02:21 GMT
Something's not right about him. Claims to be a 21-year-old student, but he signed up to the Hoffman forum seven years ago and his cultural references are Benny Hill, Hugh Hefner and The Goodies. And Pat Boone.
If he's a student, it's because he's been held back 36 years.
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Post by Boozin' Susan on Nov 15, 2017 4:18:11 GMT
goodiesguy seems to have a great love for the whitewashed sounds of the fifties. Check out this thread he started in 2012: forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/sh-boom-the-chords-vs-the-crew-cuts.286457/Sh-Boom - The Chords vs. The Crew CutsHere's a 50's song that was a hit for both a black, and a white vocal group. As many know, it was almost normal in the 50's for a white group to cover a black record, many of these covers especially by Pat Boone are regarded today as terrible compared to their originals. In my opinion, this is one of the few exceptions. The Chords: The Crew Cuts: For people wondering, The Crew Cuts version is probably the best known version, and was a bigger hit, but both were hits, and both are decent in their own way. I personally prefer the power of the vocals on The Crew Cuts version, so my vote goes to that one, which do you prefer, and what are your opinions? Nothing's better than Stan Freberg's version: Why, on this one, you can understand what they're singin' about... While the Crew's version is pleasant enough and well sung, The Chords version is your basic roots of rock, doo wop era CLASSIC. It is one of those tunes that leaps out at ya from the opening refrain, and year after year still gets plenty of airplay by me. I'll never get tired of hearing this gem. A prime example of up tempo 50's vocal rock, and it does rock! Any and all other versions fall in behind it! While the Crew's version is pleasant enough and well sung, The Chords version is your basic roots of rock, doo wop era CLASSIC. It is one of those tunes that leaps out at ya from the opening refrain, and year after year still gets plenty of airplay by me. I'll never get tired of hearing this gem. A prime example of up tempo 50's vocal rock, and it does rock! Any and all other versions fall in behind it! I disagree, I personally think The Chords original is lackluster compared to The Crew Cuts cover. The cover is so white it's blinding. Chords all the way. It's a tie for me: better groove on the Chords version, better harmonies on the Crew Cuts version. Here's a better sounding clip of the Crew Cuts' version - the clip in the original post sounds doesn't do their version justice as it has a ton of extra reverb added, making it sound muddy and dull: The cover is so white it's blinding. Chords all the way. And is that a bad thing? In my opinion, this song suits that style more than the original. Edit: just listened to both, am still prefering The Crew Cuts version. The Chords version actually bored me and I wanted it to end, but the Crew Cuts cover just has that "hit" factor to it, and it has the epic "Sh-boom sh-boom, ya da da da da daa" bit that the Chords versions is missing. Unquestionably and forever, The Chords. I still have my original 45 from childhood. It was likely my first favorite record. The Crewcuts version is as bland as can be and I hate the fact that it even had to exist. In a BBC documentary, Herb Alpert singled out The Chords' recording as one that influencef him greatly. Harry The cover is so white it's blinding. Chords all the way. It's hard to argue with this statement. Chords for me. Here is that original 45 on C A T Records: [IMG] ...AND it's got the rarer "Cross Over The Bridge" as its b-side, later replaced by "Little Maiden". Harry Chords. Classis Doo Wop. The Crew Cuts and many other covers were bland in order to satisfy the grown ups of that era. Thank goodness most kids felt different, it was a start of a multi-faceted revolution. Back around 2000 or so, I found an LP of The Chords stuff. Quite surprised, I bought it. It's got the classic CAT label, with a catalog number of CAT-1000. With no UPC number on it, I suspected it was gray market or bootleg of some type. It's got a sticker on it that says "Manufactured in Sweden" (of all places!). Anyway, the first track is of course, "Sh-Boom", but it's got a lead-off count-in not present on any other version I've encountered and sounds very clean indeed. The album has 13 other tracks of varying quality. Harry Nothing's better than Stan Freberg's version Stan's sounds like it has "You Know My Name, Loo Up The Number"-era Lennon mumbling near the end of that I'm a little sheepish to say that I grew up only ever knowing the Crew Cuts version and didn't hear the Chords' original until its appearance in the Cars movie. Better late than never. I really enjoy both versions, though, especially since the Crew Cuts' take isn't a straight lift from the original arrangement (unlike what the Diamonds did with the Gladiolas' version of Little Darlin'). I like the one they used in Clue. Sorry to (not really?) thread crap, but...has it ever been decided which version/performance of 'Sh-Boom' is featured in the movie "Clue"? Nice timing! Heh. :righton: Sorry to (not really?) thread crap, but...has it ever been decided which version/performance of 'Sh-Boom' is featured in the movie "Clue"? I would like to know this as well. The cover is so white it's blinding. Chords all the way. I concur with that assessment. Nothing's better than Stan Freberg's version: Why, on this one, you can understand what they're singin' about... MUMBLE! MUMBLE! Boy- Freberg really must have disliked R n B! The chaotic flat-sevenths during the instrumental break are hilarious! The Chords of course. I have no time for those watered down white pop versions of this type of stuff. One of The Chords followup records to "Sh-Boom" was a record with a similar groove called "Zippity Zum". I put it up on YouTube a while ago if anyone would care to listen to it. Harry Chords - Sorry but a better discussion would be to compare Shake Rattle and Roll by Big Joe Turner and by Bill Haley & The Comets Crew Cuts! I had the 78RPM of it and was a great sounding performance! But I dropped it!! The cover is so white it's blinding. Chords all the way. I concur with that assessment. So do I. No contest. Chords - Sorry but a better discussion would be to compare Shake Rattle and Roll by Big Joe Turner and by Bill Haley & The Comets My comment would be the same as in post #26 regarding the Chords/Crew Cuts comparison. I like both. Don't recall hearing the Chords version until the 'seventies but I learned to like it quickly. Also I didn't really care for the "Cover Records" era but it sure was a bonanza for the songwriters. The Crewcuts version is as bland as can be and I hate the fact that it even had to exist. That's a good way to put it. I thought the original Chords had soul..... That's a good way to put it. I thought the original Chords had soul..... See I think the complete opposite. I'm a little sheepish to say that I grew up only ever knowing the Crew Cuts version and didn't hear the Chords' original until its appearance in the Cars movie. Better late than never. I would venture to guess that younger listeners are familiar only with the Chords version owing to its appearance in "Cars". The Crew Cuts' version, while having a quaint charm in a Four Preps-sorta way, sounds like a 50s relic today while the Chords version still has a vitality to it. The Chords, and not even close. Here's a 50's song that was a hit for both a black, and a white vocal group. As many know, it was almost normal in the 50's for a white group to cover a black record, many of these covers especially by Pat Boone are regarded today as terrible compared to their originals. In my opinion, this is one of the few exceptions. For people wondering, The Crew Cuts version is probably the best known version, and was a bigger hit, but both were hits, and both are decent in their own way. I personally prefer the power of the vocals on The Crew Cuts version, so my vote goes to that one, which do you prefer, and what are your opinions? They'd called those "Whitewash Records",White artists re-recording the R&B artists cleaning up the supposed Ribald,"Dirty Lyrics" that got most of them banned...most were candy floss,i.e. Boone. The Chords, and not even close. Later,The Chords re-named themselves the Sh-Booms. They'd called those "Whitewash Records",White artists re-recording the R&B artists cleaning up the supposed Ribald,"Dirty Lyrics" that got most of them banned...most were candy floss,i.e. Boone. I agree that Pat Boone's recordings are terrible (the cover versions, that is, some of his others are ok), But I do think "Sh-Boom" is an exception in which the "White" re-record beats the original. I went with the Chords. I know there has to be a better sounding version than the O.P.'s example (maybe not on YouTube.) O.T. - Somebody start a thread between the Clovers (original recording) and the Searchers "Love Potion # 9! Very close. The cover is so white it's blinding. Chords all the way. You know, I honestly like them both. I wouldn't turn either off if it came on an oldies radio station I was listening to. A song this good is hard to screw up by any halfway decent group. At least in this case, both groups' versions made the Top 5, so at least the white pop cover version didn't totally kill the original R&B version. Of all the songs to hit the charts, I've always felt that "Sh-Boom" was the first rock 'n' roll song -- to me. But only because it came out right around the time I was born. That way, I could say rock 'n' roll and I were born at the same time. MUMBLE! MUMBLE! :laugh: Boy- Freberg really must have disliked R n B! The chaotic flat-sevenths during the instrumental break are hilarious! Yeah, Freberg did quite a few songs that made fun of what he felt was the bad musicianship, awful lyrics, and questionable ethics of rock & roll. "The Old Payola Roll Blues" encapsulates it pretty well. Like a lot of adults of the 1950s, I think people like Freberg and Steve Allen hated rock & roll because they felt it pushed aside jazz, and they just assumed that rock was temporary. I think they were both flummoxed when rock not only did fade out, it got stronger and more entrenched over the years. I worked occasionally with Freberg on some commercials in the late 1970s, and I asked him about his attacks on rock & roll, and he defended his songs and what he said at the time. He basically said <paraphrasing>, "I felt that 90% of rock music from that whole period was crap, and I think it still is. Sure, some of it was good, but how much of what got on the radio was as good as The Beatles?" He had a point. But I did get him to admit that not all of it was bad. Never got to meet Steve Allen, so I wasn't able to get his opinion. Yeah, Freberg did quite a few songs that made fun of what he felt was the bad musicianship, awful lyrics, and questionable ethics of rock & roll. "The Old Payola Roll Blues" encapsulates it pretty well. Like a lot of adults of the 1950s, I think people like Freberg and Steve Allen hated rock & roll because they felt it pushed aside jazz, and they just assumed that rock was temporary. I think they were both flummoxed when rock not only did fade out, it got stronger and more entrenched over the years. I worked occasionally with Freberg on some commercials in the late 1970s, and I asked him about his attacks on rock & roll, and he defended his songs and what he said at the time. He basically said <paraphrasing>, "I felt that 90% of rock music from that whole period was crap, and I think it still is. Sure, some of it was good, but how much of what got on the radio was as good as The Beatles?" He had a point. But I did get him to admit that not all of it was bad. Never got to meet Steve Allen, so I wasn't able to get his opinion. Freberg's parodies are still very funny and hold up- at least for those of us tuned in enough who 'get' the digs! Payola Roll Blues really cracked me up when I first heard it on Dr. Demento's radio show 30+ years ago! Anyway- I also like both versions of Sh-Boom, but the Chords rendition has a little more swing to it. Kudos if you were able to make it through the entire thread! FWIW, the Chords' version won the poll goodiesguy had set up, 75.9% to 24.1%. (So, it seems the SHites aren't totally clueless.) Check out goodiesguy's final poat in this thread. You know, the one where he wrote that Pat Boone's recordings are "terrible"... Why would he later use PB as an example of someone who's covers beat the originals?
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Post by AnalogRearEnd on Nov 15, 2017 6:49:57 GMT
Yeah, he's totally 21 years old.
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Nov 15, 2017 7:20:30 GMT
I can't take anyone who considers The Rolling Stones cover of "Under The Boardwalk" better than the original seriously.
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Post by graucho on Nov 15, 2017 12:51:49 GMT
Goodies guy in praise of a psychopathic paedophile:
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Post by hugofuguzev on Nov 15, 2017 13:22:05 GMT
Goodies guy in praise of a psychopathic paedophile: What a sick motherfucker...how many little boys has Goodiesguy diddled, do ya reckon? Between paedo apologists like Goodiesguy and kiddiefuckers like PaulWTF, I'm starting to think Hoffman's forum is a New Yorker article just waiting to happen...
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Post by PacificOceanSpew on Nov 15, 2017 15:37:08 GMT
I am white, but today I am identifying as a black man....so today, I am deeply offended by this. Tomorrow, I will not give two shits.
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Post by Chicken in Black on Nov 15, 2017 16:17:03 GMT
What a sick motherfucker...how many little boys has Goodiesguy diddled, do ya reckon? At least, that explains why the guy poses as being 21.
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Post by whorediophile on Nov 16, 2017 7:39:02 GMT
goodiesguy enjoys sixties Star Trek, except for this one episode that he only enjoys half of:
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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Apr 18, 2022 17:59:06 GMT
Favourite african American Musical Art form?If people think this is racist then go ahead and delete. Here are the major African american art forms imo: Jazz Blues soul/r&b/girl groups(mowtown) Rap/hip hop reggae Funk When it comes to rock...imo its a perdominently white art form. i mean... theres hendrix and ? thats it? I suppose early 50s rock n roll there was little richard, frankie lymon, fats domino, chuck berry...quite a bit. But in the 60s and 70s rock was mostly a "white" art form? in the 60s/70s african american music switched to soul/r&b . tons of artists from motown/stax from marvin gaye to the shirelles. as for Rap/Hip Hop? arguably the biggest success in terms of money and impact. but..whats "your" favourite?
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