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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Aug 6, 2019 18:18:34 GMT
Does anybody really know what time it is? The funniest thing about those arguments is that people assume they know--and sometimes they assume that comments made in publicity interviews, etc. tell them--what the artistst(s) intended. Of course, even if we did know: Intentional fallacy | literary criticismI didn't know you were that intimate with members of the Beatles. Well, or even then it's hard to be sure. Maybe you're saying you're Paul? Who is going to know? No one here was in the Beatles. You have to be a Beatle, and probably John or Paul, because I'd bet that Ringo and maybe George wouldn't always know, to know what their intentions were with any particular thing. You can call whatever you want their "core discography" or whatever. The point is that we can't know the actual intentions of the artists we follow, we can't count on interviews, etc. to tell us--because that might be marketing, or something could be misremembered, etc., and even if we could there's still the intentional fallacy; Intentional fallacy | literary criticismFirst, is any release of theirs just as they intended it? There's no way for you to know. Obviously, it's not as if anyone else has any say in what gets released and how it does aside from artists. There aren't many other people involved, no executives, etc. :sigh: And how do we know this, exactly? By what was said in interviews? Books? How do we know the context for any of that, what the motivations might have been for saying that?
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bradman
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Post by bradman on Aug 6, 2019 22:50:06 GMT
Are We Not Beatles?
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Post by essayceedee on Aug 6, 2019 23:18:11 GMT
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Post by Sanjay Gupton on Aug 7, 2019 15:33:48 GMT
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Post by krabapple on Aug 7, 2019 20:55:06 GMT
One of my many issues with SHites is that there is no such thing as an aesthetic judgment in their minds. So, of course Full Circle, Kelly Osbourne's stupid record, Chicago XXVIII or whatever, Love Beach, and any 80's album by a 60's act are "underrated" They are pretty much as worthwhile as anything else to a SHite. One amusing thing to do is to ask them why an album is good, or underrated, or overrated. They have no idea how to express why. They lack the discernment to be able to tell the difference between albums, and they lack the vocabulary to express it. Yet, they'll drone on for hours about cables, and tonearms, and how much they love "music". I'd love to know how Love Beach is underrated. If they could articulate a coherent reason, I'd even play the wretched thing again. But they can't. Half of Love Beach is better than its reputation. The other half is worse.
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Post by bad gateway on Aug 7, 2019 21:30:02 GMT
Which half includes the sleeve pic? (Asking for a philosopher friend)
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Post by krabapple on Aug 7, 2019 21:49:04 GMT
Which half includes the sleeve pic? (Asking for a philosopher friend) That atrocity is not up for debate.
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Post by gobshite on Aug 8, 2019 1:32:01 GMT
From a Metallica/Lars Ulrich discussion that got Gorted as a "hate" thread: "... he's simply doing some non-traditional, non-mainstream things with timing/tempo and rhythms. A lot of appreciation of the Shaggs is due to departures from some structural norms, while (whether intentionally or not) suggesting some interesting alternate ways that music-theoretical materials can be approached. There's a world of possibilities available that aren't explored very much, because it's very easy to fall into normative ruts. (And by the way, that's one thing that technology ironically hasn't helped with very much. Programmers, hardware developers, have tended to stick with the norms when it comes to what it's possible, or at least relatively easy to do with their hardware and software, because it's not cost-effective for them to make the weird stuff easily available. For example, it's not very easy to set up keyboards so that you assign specific pitches, defined in hertz or cents say, to each key--even though that should be easy to program--simply because it's not a normal way to approach music, so they don't bother making it available; it's not cost-effective for them to include features that people don't use . . . but then this just helps perpetuate norms where we don't explore a lot of possible tunings because the equipment doesn't do it)" "I'd say it's a very "fluid," non-metronomic sense of time, but it's oddly consistent for that. I tend to see it as an asset rather than a liability, but some folks apparently want a Roland TR-8 more or less." forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/i-usually-have-your-back-lars-but-that-was-pitiful.867916/page-2
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Post by bradman on Aug 8, 2019 4:48:12 GMT
You know it's over when a band sounds like a bad cover band of itself. The fact that some ShItes see nothing wrong with that mess is delightful.
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Post by aggressivebeta on Aug 10, 2019 12:01:00 GMT
When I was a kid one of my friends and I were just getting into prog so ELP was high on the list after we got well acquainted with their first few albums. We were going through his dad’s LP’s and I spotted Love Beach.
As soon as we looked at the album cover, we busted out laughing because of how painfully hard they were trying to look like the Bee Gees. Then I read the song titles and that confirmed that the album was going to be terrible. I concluded that was the point in their career where they were forced to reinvent themselves, and did so totally inauthentically.
Before I put it on the turntable, I inspected the record out of curiosity. Most of the great albums his dad had were trashed, but I was completely unsurprised to see that this one was practically in Mint condition. He probably listened to it once and then never again.
Of course when I put it on, it was just as terrible as we thought it would be. Sometimes you really can judge a book by its cover. I don’t even remember what any of the songs were called or what they sound like. I think we got through maybe side one at most before we couldn’t take it anymore.
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Post by Chicken in Black on Aug 10, 2019 18:20:45 GMT
For those who mention the artwork, I must add that it can't match the intensity of the promo pictures.
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Post by sₚⲁᵣₖydₒg on Aug 10, 2019 20:11:38 GMT
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Post by Mediocrates on Aug 10, 2019 21:42:18 GMT
That shit would be worth a fortune today.
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Post by Chicken in Black on Aug 11, 2019 0:00:27 GMT
AntonKK isn’t just anyone.
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Post by Boozin' Susan on Aug 11, 2019 3:05:01 GMT
No, it wouldn't. Did anyone — and I mean *anyone* — ever place an order for that merch? I think Freddie Mercury might have had a pair of the short-shorts... ...or maybe a whole closet full of them.
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