BusNoise has some questions
Nov 10, 2019 14:06:27 GMT
Post by Norman ‘Whiplash’ Mailer on Nov 10, 2019 14:06:27 GMT
Why did KISS tune up to E for their 80s concerts?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 26, 2019.
In the 1970s, KISS tuned to Eb, both for studio and live performances, but in the early 80s, they tuned up to E for their live shows. (Studio albums were a mix of Eb and E, with one exception, which I will discuss below)
Does anyone know why they tuned up? The only things I can think of are either
1) Paul Stanley wanted to show off his vocal development and the growth of his range, or
2) Bruce Kulick insisted on them tuning to E, because he preferred playing in E
Does anyone know for sure?
The one "Xception"
"Let's Put The X in Sex" was played in A on guitars tuned to D, which meant the final recording was in G. How do I know this? Because when KISS played it at their conventions in 1995, it was in Ab, and they were tuned to Eb for the conventions. At the conventions, they played songs they had never done live and hadn't rehearsed, so it's not possible that they intentionally rehearsed playing it in A for those just to throw people off.
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 26, 2019.
In the 1970s, KISS tuned to Eb, both for studio and live performances, but in the early 80s, they tuned up to E for their live shows. (Studio albums were a mix of Eb and E, with one exception, which I will discuss below)
Does anyone know why they tuned up? The only things I can think of are either
1) Paul Stanley wanted to show off his vocal development and the growth of his range, or
2) Bruce Kulick insisted on them tuning to E, because he preferred playing in E
Does anyone know for sure?
The one "Xception"
"Let's Put The X in Sex" was played in A on guitars tuned to D, which meant the final recording was in G. How do I know this? Because when KISS played it at their conventions in 1995, it was in Ab, and they were tuned to Eb for the conventions. At the conventions, they played songs they had never done live and hadn't rehearsed, so it's not possible that they intentionally rehearsed playing it in A for those just to throw people off.
What if Eric Carr had lived?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 28, 2019.
I'm mostly curious about how this would impact KISS's reunion.
I'm thinking that likely one of these two things would have happened
* There is no makeup reunion, KISS continues with Carr and Kulick (what I wish had happened)
* There is a reunion with Ace, and they put the makeup back on, but with Carr as the Fox instead of Criss as the Catman (which I think is more likely)
Any other thoughts?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 28, 2019.
I'm mostly curious about how this would impact KISS's reunion.
I'm thinking that likely one of these two things would have happened
* There is no makeup reunion, KISS continues with Carr and Kulick (what I wish had happened)
* There is a reunion with Ace, and they put the makeup back on, but with Carr as the Fox instead of Criss as the Catman (which I think is more likely)
Any other thoughts?
What do you think a Michael Jackson Invincible Tour would have looked like?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 28, 2019.
I suspect it would be mostly or entirely lip-synced, like the HIStory Tour (IIRC, the only live song there was the Jackson 5 Medley). I don't care for the lip-syncing, but by 2002 (when it would have been), I doubt he would have had good live performances in him.
(The only solo tour he sang completely live as an adult was the first leg of the Bad tour)
Let's look at the second leg of his HIStory Tour for some guidance
Scream
They Don't Care About Us
In The Closet
Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
Stranger In Moscow
Smooth Criminal
You Are Not Alone
The Way You Make Me Feel
Jackson 5 Medley
Billie Jean
Thriller
Beat It
Blood On The Dance Floor
Dangerous
Black Or White
Earth Song
Heal The World
History
Surprisingly, there were no Off The Wall songs here. Hopefully, if he had toured behind Invincible, it would have been more focused on his earlier music.
I doubt there would have been many Invincible songs, other than You Rock My World
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 28, 2019.
I suspect it would be mostly or entirely lip-synced, like the HIStory Tour (IIRC, the only live song there was the Jackson 5 Medley). I don't care for the lip-syncing, but by 2002 (when it would have been), I doubt he would have had good live performances in him.
(The only solo tour he sang completely live as an adult was the first leg of the Bad tour)
Let's look at the second leg of his HIStory Tour for some guidance
Scream
They Don't Care About Us
In The Closet
Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
Stranger In Moscow
Smooth Criminal
You Are Not Alone
The Way You Make Me Feel
Jackson 5 Medley
Billie Jean
Thriller
Beat It
Blood On The Dance Floor
Dangerous
Black Or White
Earth Song
Heal The World
History
Surprisingly, there were no Off The Wall songs here. Hopefully, if he had toured behind Invincible, it would have been more focused on his earlier music.
I doubt there would have been many Invincible songs, other than You Rock My World
When does a band/artist become a "nostalgia act"?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 28, 2019.
I know that it varies somewhat by artist, but it's interesting to me exactly when "nostalgia act" begins.
For example,
In 1994, after 7 years of not being heard from (minus a one-off performance in 1991 at a tribute concert) Steve Perry released a new album, "For the Love of Strange Medicine", and went on a tour to support the album, where he played 4 songs from the album, and 16 songs from the 80s or 70s.
If Perry went on tour today (which is unlikely), he would obviously be a nostalgia act, even if the shows incorporated new material. Likewise, McCartney is a nostalgia act, KISS is a nostalgia act, the Stones are a nostalgia act.
But was Perry a nostalgia act in 1994? Or do you think that he occupied a middle ground between current artist and nostalgia act then?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 28, 2019.
I know that it varies somewhat by artist, but it's interesting to me exactly when "nostalgia act" begins.
For example,
In 1994, after 7 years of not being heard from (minus a one-off performance in 1991 at a tribute concert) Steve Perry released a new album, "For the Love of Strange Medicine", and went on a tour to support the album, where he played 4 songs from the album, and 16 songs from the 80s or 70s.
If Perry went on tour today (which is unlikely), he would obviously be a nostalgia act, even if the shows incorporated new material. Likewise, McCartney is a nostalgia act, KISS is a nostalgia act, the Stones are a nostalgia act.
But was Perry a nostalgia act in 1994? Or do you think that he occupied a middle ground between current artist and nostalgia act then?
A history of live KISS guitar tunings
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 29, 2019
1973-1980 - Eb
No concerts in 1981
1982-1988 - E
No concerts in 1989, but Paul Stanley did a solo tour, in E tuning
1990-2011 - Eb
2012-present - D
I liked the way the classic songs sounded tuned up to E better than I like them tuned down to D, but I understand why they have to tune down now
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 29, 2019
1973-1980 - Eb
No concerts in 1981
1982-1988 - E
No concerts in 1989, but Paul Stanley did a solo tour, in E tuning
1990-2011 - Eb
2012-present - D
I liked the way the classic songs sounded tuned up to E better than I like them tuned down to D, but I understand why they have to tune down now
What effects are being used on these vocals?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 29, 2019.
(Steve Perry song on YouTube)
I am trying to write/record/produce my own music, and I really like the sound of the vocals here.
Obviously, part of it is that Perry is a good singer, and I know that there was no pitch correction involved (since it was released before pitch correction was a thing), but what effects are on it?
It sounds very crisp and clear, with a lot of reverb. Does anyone recognize the specific type of reverb and its setting? (i.e. is it digital or plate reverb?) What other effects does it sound like were used here? Compressors? Exciters? Limiters? Tape delay?
Thanks in advance
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 29, 2019.
(Steve Perry song on YouTube)
I am trying to write/record/produce my own music, and I really like the sound of the vocals here.
Obviously, part of it is that Perry is a good singer, and I know that there was no pitch correction involved (since it was released before pitch correction was a thing), but what effects are on it?
It sounds very crisp and clear, with a lot of reverb. Does anyone recognize the specific type of reverb and its setting? (i.e. is it digital or plate reverb?) What other effects does it sound like were used here? Compressors? Exciters? Limiters? Tape delay?
Thanks in advance
Bands with multiple lead singers?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 30, 2019.
For some reason, these tend to be rarer than bands with just one lead singer, but if you think about it from a touring context, it makes sense, since it makes it easier to play shows upwards of 3 hours without overexerting the singer's voice.
Here are the ones I'm familiar with. I only count bands where multiple people consistently sang lead. Letting the drummer sing a song or two here or there doesn't really count.
* The Beatles (John and Paul)
* KISS (Paul and Gene)
* The Jacksons on their album Victory (though before that MJ was the clear lead singer)
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 30, 2019.
For some reason, these tend to be rarer than bands with just one lead singer, but if you think about it from a touring context, it makes sense, since it makes it easier to play shows upwards of 3 hours without overexerting the singer's voice.
Here are the ones I'm familiar with. I only count bands where multiple people consistently sang lead. Letting the drummer sing a song or two here or there doesn't really count.
* The Beatles (John and Paul)
* KISS (Paul and Gene)
* The Jacksons on their album Victory (though before that MJ was the clear lead singer)
Where did Michael Jackson go wrong with Invincible?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 30, 2019.
"Invincible" was, in many ways, a disappointing final chapter in Michael Jackson's recording career. It sold the least copies of any studio album, was the only album not supported by a tour (Thriller and OTW were supported by Jacksons tours, Bad, Dangerous, and HIStory/BOTDF were supported by solo tours), and it wasn't nearly as good as his previous work.
So, where did it all go wrong?
My thoughts
* The songs were too long. Too many repeated choruses, extended grooves, and random noise intros. The spoken intro to "You Rock My World" is especially atrocious.
* It was unfocused. Albums with a lot of different producers for each track rarely come out as a cohesive whole, and this one is no exception. MJ had albums with multiple genres on them in the 80s, but those worked, since Quincy Jones's stellar production tied it all together.
* It wasn't really his. Most of the songs were written by producers and MJ was just given a credit on them for contractual reasons. You can find writing demos of a lot of them on YouTube which prove this. It essentially sounded like a bunch random songs that just happened to have MJ singing.
* It was clearly an attempt to be trendy. It didn't sound like MJ trying to make MJ style music, it sounded like him trying to copy turn-of-the-millennium RnB/Pop music to sell records. It's indistinguishable from any other generic music from that time.
Anybody else have thoughts?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 30, 2019.
"Invincible" was, in many ways, a disappointing final chapter in Michael Jackson's recording career. It sold the least copies of any studio album, was the only album not supported by a tour (Thriller and OTW were supported by Jacksons tours, Bad, Dangerous, and HIStory/BOTDF were supported by solo tours), and it wasn't nearly as good as his previous work.
So, where did it all go wrong?
My thoughts
* The songs were too long. Too many repeated choruses, extended grooves, and random noise intros. The spoken intro to "You Rock My World" is especially atrocious.
* It was unfocused. Albums with a lot of different producers for each track rarely come out as a cohesive whole, and this one is no exception. MJ had albums with multiple genres on them in the 80s, but those worked, since Quincy Jones's stellar production tied it all together.
* It wasn't really his. Most of the songs were written by producers and MJ was just given a credit on them for contractual reasons. You can find writing demos of a lot of them on YouTube which prove this. It essentially sounded like a bunch random songs that just happened to have MJ singing.
* It was clearly an attempt to be trendy. It didn't sound like MJ trying to make MJ style music, it sounded like him trying to copy turn-of-the-millennium RnB/Pop music to sell records. It's indistinguishable from any other generic music from that time.
Anybody else have thoughts?
Would the Jacksons have stayed relevant if Michael hadn't quit?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 30, 2019
The Jacksons had some hits in the late 70s and early 80s with Michael as the lead singer. Then, after 1984's Victory Tour was a disaster from a business standpoint (but an enjoyable show), Michael and Marlon quit, leaving the 4 remaining brothers to make one final album before calling it quits.
If the Jacksons had been able to induce Michael to stick it out, do you think they would have still had hits alongside MJ's solo career?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 30, 2019
The Jacksons had some hits in the late 70s and early 80s with Michael as the lead singer. Then, after 1984's Victory Tour was a disaster from a business standpoint (but an enjoyable show), Michael and Marlon quit, leaving the 4 remaining brothers to make one final album before calling it quits.
If the Jacksons had been able to induce Michael to stick it out, do you think they would have still had hits alongside MJ's solo career?
Michael Jackson's "Dangerous" should have been 2 albums
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 30, 2019
It had some great songs on it, but it suffered from being very disjointed, since half of it was Teddy Riley's New Jack Swing, and the other half was more traditional Pop/RnB.
Here's what I would have done (tracks not in order)
First album
1. Heal the World
2. Black or White
3. Who Is It
4. Give In to Me
5. Will You Be There (without the unnecessary orchestral intro)
6. Keep the Faith
7. Gone Too Soon
8. Monkey Business
9. If You Don't Love Me
10. Work That Body
11. Do You Know Where Your Children Are?
12. For All Time
Second album
1. Jam
2. Why You Wanna Trip on Me
3. In the Closet
4. She Drives Me Wild
5. Remember the Time
6. Can't Let Her Get Away
7. Dangerous
8. Serious Effect
9. She Got It
10. Slave to the Rhythm
11. Ghost Of Another Lover
12. Man In Black
He could have put out more songs, sold more albums, and had better, less disjointed albums
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 30, 2019
It had some great songs on it, but it suffered from being very disjointed, since half of it was Teddy Riley's New Jack Swing, and the other half was more traditional Pop/RnB.
Here's what I would have done (tracks not in order)
First album
1. Heal the World
2. Black or White
3. Who Is It
4. Give In to Me
5. Will You Be There (without the unnecessary orchestral intro)
6. Keep the Faith
7. Gone Too Soon
8. Monkey Business
9. If You Don't Love Me
10. Work That Body
11. Do You Know Where Your Children Are?
12. For All Time
Second album
1. Jam
2. Why You Wanna Trip on Me
3. In the Closet
4. She Drives Me Wild
5. Remember the Time
6. Can't Let Her Get Away
7. Dangerous
8. Serious Effect
9. She Got It
10. Slave to the Rhythm
11. Ghost Of Another Lover
12. Man In Black
He could have put out more songs, sold more albums, and had better, less disjointed albums
Lots of bands tune down to Eb. Has there ever been a band that tuned up to F?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 31, 2019
From low to high:
F
Bb
Eb
Ab
C
F
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 31, 2019
From low to high:
F
Bb
Eb
Ab
C
F
Most unusual tunings on mainstream records?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Nov 1, 2019
To the best of my knowledge, KISS wins this one - most of their album "Carnival of Souls" is tuned (from lowest to highest) Db, Ab, Db, Gb, Bb, Eb
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Nov 1, 2019
To the best of my knowledge, KISS wins this one - most of their album "Carnival of Souls" is tuned (from lowest to highest) Db, Ab, Db, Gb, Bb, Eb
KISS members legal names?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Nov 1, 2019
Are Paul and Gene still legally Stanley Eisen and Gene Klein?
Their children are surnamed Stanley and Simmons, but when Vinnie Vincent sued them, he sued Stanley Eisen and Gene Klein. (Vinnie is still legally Vincent Cusano)
Link to Vinnie court case: The KISSFAQ - Vinnie Vincent 9th Circuit Court Decision
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Nov 1, 2019
Are Paul and Gene still legally Stanley Eisen and Gene Klein?
Their children are surnamed Stanley and Simmons, but when Vinnie Vincent sued them, he sued Stanley Eisen and Gene Klein. (Vinnie is still legally Vincent Cusano)
Link to Vinnie court case: The KISSFAQ - Vinnie Vincent 9th Circuit Court Decision
Why did Paul Stanley's voice decline like that?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Nov 3, 2019.
He seems to have been hit with vocal decline way worse than others his age. I don't think it's because of bad singing technique, since his really high note live performances went on until the middle of last decade, and if he was singing in an unhealthy fashion, he would have lost his voice within a few years of singing really high.
Does anyone here have inside knowledge on what happened to him?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Nov 3, 2019.
He seems to have been hit with vocal decline way worse than others his age. I don't think it's because of bad singing technique, since his really high note live performances went on until the middle of last decade, and if he was singing in an unhealthy fashion, he would have lost his voice within a few years of singing really high.
Does anyone here have inside knowledge on what happened to him?
How much live down-tuning is too much?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Nov 3, 2019.
(Poll questions)
I know that live down-tuning is a controversial topic, but personally, I see it as a good thing, if it enables a performer who otherwise would struggle with the songs to put on a good show. I also think it's preferable to altering the melody to dodge high notes.
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Nov 3, 2019.
(Poll questions)
I know that live down-tuning is a controversial topic, but personally, I see it as a good thing, if it enables a performer who otherwise would struggle with the songs to put on a good show. I also think it's preferable to altering the melody to dodge high notes.
Why does this song sound sad?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Nov 3, 2019
A friend and I are considering starting a band, and we had an interesting discussion the other day about what gives music its emotional weight.
Take this song, for example.
(Steve Perry song on YouTube)
Is it sad because of its composition (i.e. notes and chords)? Because it's in minor? Some of the saddest songs are in major, though (i.e.. "Danny Boy").
Is it sad because of its lyrics? If I played it for someone who didn't speak English, would they hear it as sad?
Is it sad because of the arrangement? Perhaps the orchestra makes it sound more dramatic and serious...
Is it sad because of the production? The reverb could be said to give it a church-like quality...
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Nov 3, 2019
A friend and I are considering starting a band, and we had an interesting discussion the other day about what gives music its emotional weight.
Take this song, for example.
(Steve Perry song on YouTube)
Is it sad because of its composition (i.e. notes and chords)? Because it's in minor? Some of the saddest songs are in major, though (i.e.. "Danny Boy").
Is it sad because of its lyrics? If I played it for someone who didn't speak English, would they hear it as sad?
Is it sad because of the arrangement? Perhaps the orchestra makes it sound more dramatic and serious...
Is it sad because of the production? The reverb could be said to give it a church-like quality...
Why are 3 "Crazy Nights" tracks tuned to Eb?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Monday at 1:50 AM
Most of the album is tuned to E, as was its supporting tour, but for some reason "I'll Fight Hell To Hold You", "My Way", and "Turn On The Night" were tuned to Eb. I've heard demos of them in standard tuning, and Paul doesn't seem to be struggling with them, and none of them were ever performed live, anyway, so does anyone know why these were tuned down?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Monday at 1:50 AM
Most of the album is tuned to E, as was its supporting tour, but for some reason "I'll Fight Hell To Hold You", "My Way", and "Turn On The Night" were tuned to Eb. I've heard demos of them in standard tuning, and Paul doesn't seem to be struggling with them, and none of them were ever performed live, anyway, so does anyone know why these were tuned down?
Ideal KISS Setlist?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Thursday at 8:09 PM
For me (this is just the order the songs came out in, not the order I think they should play them in)
Strutter
Rock And Roll All Nite
Shout It Out Loud
Detroit Rock City
Beth
Calling Dr. Love
Love Gun
I Was Made For Lovin' You
Nowhere To Run
I Love It Loud
Lick It Up
Heaven's On Fire
Tears Are Falling
Crazy Crazy Nights
Reason To Live
Turn On The Night
Let's Put The X In Sex
You Make Me Rock Hard
Hide Your Heart
Forever
Rise To It
Little Caesar (Eric Carr Tribute)
God Gave Rock 'N' Roll To You II
Unholy
Domino
I Just Wanna
Every Time I Look At You
Jungle
Master And Slave
Psycho Circus
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Thursday at 8:09 PM
For me (this is just the order the songs came out in, not the order I think they should play them in)
Strutter
Rock And Roll All Nite
Shout It Out Loud
Detroit Rock City
Beth
Calling Dr. Love
Love Gun
I Was Made For Lovin' You
Nowhere To Run
I Love It Loud
Lick It Up
Heaven's On Fire
Tears Are Falling
Crazy Crazy Nights
Reason To Live
Turn On The Night
Let's Put The X In Sex
You Make Me Rock Hard
Hide Your Heart
Forever
Rise To It
Little Caesar (Eric Carr Tribute)
God Gave Rock 'N' Roll To You II
Unholy
Domino
I Just Wanna
Every Time I Look At You
Jungle
Master And Slave
Psycho Circus
Is this high note from Paul Stanley belted or falsetto?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Yesterday at 12:43 AM.
(Poll question)
The recording quality is not great, so it's hard to tell. It's the high F# at 2:00 in this video
(KISS song on YouTube)
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Yesterday at 12:43 AM.
(Poll question)
The recording quality is not great, so it's hard to tell. It's the high F# at 2:00 in this video
(KISS song on YouTube)
Songs that sound like the singer is going through an existential crisis
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Yesterday at 2:54 AM.
Steve Perry - For the Love of Strange Medicine
Steve Perry said:
Some are believers, some don't know
Some are lost, they're lost and alone
Some are deceivers, their souls been sold
For the love, for the love of strange medicine
Billy Joel - River of Dreams
Billy Joel said:
I don't know why I go walking at night
But now I'm tired and I don't want to walk anymore
I hope it doesn't take the rest of my life
Until I find what it is that I've been looking for
Kiss - Rain
Paul Stanley said:
Tell me what you want me to be
I can't stand myself anymore
Tell me what you want me to see
I can't find my way off the floor
Journey - Easy to Fall
Steve Perry said:
He said he's tried everything he could, a fool's illusion one more lie
There'll be demons waiting in the shadows of a concrete world, tears are running tonight
You say you believe in love, and still you run
You only believe in God when you come undone
Michael Bolton - Lost in the City
Michael Bolton said:
Seagull, I see you fly high all above all of this
Makes me miss home and the freedom I've known for so long
Why has it taken so long?
Tell me where I went wrong
Michael Jackson - Morphine
Michael Jackson said:
Relax, this won't hurt you
Before I put it in, close your eyes and count to ten
Don't cry, I won't convert you
There's no need to dismay, close your eyes and drift away
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Yesterday at 2:54 AM.
Steve Perry - For the Love of Strange Medicine
Steve Perry said:
Some are believers, some don't know
Some are lost, they're lost and alone
Some are deceivers, their souls been sold
For the love, for the love of strange medicine
Billy Joel - River of Dreams
Billy Joel said:
I don't know why I go walking at night
But now I'm tired and I don't want to walk anymore
I hope it doesn't take the rest of my life
Until I find what it is that I've been looking for
Kiss - Rain
Paul Stanley said:
Tell me what you want me to be
I can't stand myself anymore
Tell me what you want me to see
I can't find my way off the floor
Journey - Easy to Fall
Steve Perry said:
He said he's tried everything he could, a fool's illusion one more lie
There'll be demons waiting in the shadows of a concrete world, tears are running tonight
You say you believe in love, and still you run
You only believe in God when you come undone
Michael Bolton - Lost in the City
Michael Bolton said:
Seagull, I see you fly high all above all of this
Makes me miss home and the freedom I've known for so long
Why has it taken so long?
Tell me where I went wrong
Michael Jackson - Morphine
Michael Jackson said:
Relax, this won't hurt you
Before I put it in, close your eyes and count to ten
Don't cry, I won't convert you
There's no need to dismay, close your eyes and drift away
Are male rock singers usually using their chest voice for the really high notes?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Yesterday at 3:13 AM
People like JBJ, Steve Perry, Michael Bolton, etc...
On one hand, the notes have a power to them that falsetto can't really achieve, but on the other hand, some of them are really high, and Steve Perry often sounds very light.
Has anyone on this forum worked with any singers like this?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Yesterday at 3:13 AM
People like JBJ, Steve Perry, Michael Bolton, etc...
On one hand, the notes have a power to them that falsetto can't really achieve, but on the other hand, some of them are really high, and Steve Perry often sounds very light.
Has anyone on this forum worked with any singers like this?
Steve Perry - For the Love of Strange Medicine
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Yesterday at 3:23 AM.
(Poll of which songs do you like on the album)
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Yesterday at 3:23 AM.
(Poll of which songs do you like on the album)
What are some of the cleverest lyrics you've ever heard?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Today at 12:23 AM.
For me, this is one of them. Very clever roundabout way of saying "you thought I'd miss you, but I don't"
Michael Bolton said:
Every night I would lie awake alone in my bed
Think of you, and I'd cry myself to sleep
That's what you said
But you were so sure of yourself: by now I'd be out of my mind
So where is the madness, the pain and the sadness
You swore you'd be leaving behind?
Start breaking my heart
And then later on in the same song
Michael Bolton said:
You're breaking your promise to me
You swore I'd be falling apart!
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Today at 12:23 AM.
For me, this is one of them. Very clever roundabout way of saying "you thought I'd miss you, but I don't"
Michael Bolton said:
Every night I would lie awake alone in my bed
Think of you, and I'd cry myself to sleep
That's what you said
But you were so sure of yourself: by now I'd be out of my mind
So where is the madness, the pain and the sadness
You swore you'd be leaving behind?
Start breaking my heart
And then later on in the same song
Michael Bolton said:
You're breaking your promise to me
You swore I'd be falling apart!
Why didn't KISS re-record their classic songs for Smashes, Thrashes and Hits?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Today at 4:05 AM
They remixed them because they wanted them to sound more 80s, but why not just re-record them? Paul had grown exponentially as a vocalist, and it would have been nice to have official versions of those classic songs in standard tuning (they sound better that way) and with his enhancements.
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Today at 4:05 AM
They remixed them because they wanted them to sound more 80s, but why not just re-record them? Paul had grown exponentially as a vocalist, and it would have been nice to have official versions of those classic songs in standard tuning (they sound better that way) and with his enhancements.
Solo songs on band tours - yay or nay?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Today at 4:11 AM.
(Poll question)
I can see both sides. On one hand, a singer who has a lot of solo success but still tours with the band should probably be thrown a bone or two, and it's probably the smart decision in a lot of cases. (MJ and the Jacksons tours of the early 80s, for example)
On the other hand, a lot of bands wouldn't like being turned into backup for one member.
I'm glad Journey played "Oh Sherrie" and "Strung Out", on their 86-87 tour, but I also think that caused friction with Jon and Neal that contributed to the breakup.
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Today at 4:11 AM.
(Poll question)
I can see both sides. On one hand, a singer who has a lot of solo success but still tours with the band should probably be thrown a bone or two, and it's probably the smart decision in a lot of cases. (MJ and the Jacksons tours of the early 80s, for example)
On the other hand, a lot of bands wouldn't like being turned into backup for one member.
I'm glad Journey played "Oh Sherrie" and "Strung Out", on their 86-87 tour, but I also think that caused friction with Jon and Neal that contributed to the breakup.
Which method would you prefer aging singers employ when they can no longer hit the high notes?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Today at 5:02 AM
1) Keep singing the song with its original melody in a lower key
2) Keep singing the song in the original key, but change the melody
3) Keep singing the song in the original key, but hand off the high notes to a background singer
4) Keep singing the song in the original key, but point the microphone at the audience for the high parts
5) Lip sync
6) Drop that song from the setlist
7) Retire
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Today at 5:02 AM
1) Keep singing the song with its original melody in a lower key
2) Keep singing the song in the original key, but change the melody
3) Keep singing the song in the original key, but hand off the high notes to a background singer
4) Keep singing the song in the original key, but point the microphone at the audience for the high parts
5) Lip sync
6) Drop that song from the setlist
7) Retire
What would a "Trial By Fire" tour with Steve Perry have looked like?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 26, 2019.
BusNoise
Inspired by the recent thread about Journey vs Foreigner.
To get an idea of what the setlist might have been, let's look at the setlist of Journey's 86-87 ROR tour, and Perry's 94-95 FTLOSM solo tour
ROR Tour Setlist
Only the Young
Stone in Love
Any Way You Want It
Girl Can't Help It
Send Her My Love
Open Arms
Still They Ride
Strung Out
Suzanne
Lights
Wheel in the Sky
Raised on Radio
Ask the Lonely
Who's Crying Now
Oh Sherrie
Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'
Jailhouse Rock
Separate Ways
Be Good To Yourself
Don't Stop Believin'
Faithfully
FTLOSM Tour Setlist
Only the Young
Girl Can't Help It
Oh Sherrie
Send Her My Love
Lights
Foolish Heart
You Better Wait
Somewhere There's Hope
Open Arms
Missing You
Listen to Your Heart
I'll Be Alright Without You
Wheel in the Sky
Dixie Highway
Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'
Any Way You Want It
Separate Ways
Don't Stop Believin'
Faithfully
Stone in Love
There are 13 songs in common between the two setlists
Only the Young
Stone in Love
Any Way You Want It
Girl Can't Help It
Send Her My Love
Open Arms
Lights
Wheel in the Sky
Oh Sherrie
Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'
Separate Ways
Don't Stop Believin'
Faithfully
I think it's safe to assume that all of these would have made it onto the TBF Tour setlist. I don't think that the songs from the ROR tour that weren't done on the FTLOSM tour would be done, because a lot of them were songs from ROR that didn't become massive the way "Open Arms" and "Don't Stop Believin'" did, and also since I suspect that some of them ("Strung Out", for example) weren't done on the FTLOSM tour because they were too hard on Perry's voice. I'm also virtually certain that a TBF tour with Perry would have been tuned to Eb, just like Perry's solo FTLOSM tour was.
"Open Arms" and "Stone in Love" were dropped from the FTLOSM tour fairly early on, but I think they would both make a comeback on the TBF tour, if not both than at least "Open Arms", which was the band's biggest hit.
As far as FTLOSM tour songs, I'm virtually certain that "Somewhere There's Hope" and "Listen to Your Heart" wouldn't be played, since neither of them was ever a single, and I know that the other Journey members didn't like playing Perry's solo songs on tour. He would probably be given two solo songs on the TBF tour, just like he was for the ROR tour. In comparison, his solo FTLOSM tour had 6 of his solo songs, and 14 Journey songs.
But which two songs? "Oh Sherrie" would obviously have been one of them, but what would the second one. have been? Probably not "Missing You", since it didn't utilize the entire band and was the lowest-charting of the bunch. That leaves either "Foolish Heart" or "You Better Wait". Even though "Foolish Heart" charted better, I bet that "You Better Wait" would have made the cut instead, since it was both more current at the time, and would allow both of Perry's solo albums to be represented on tour.
When Journey finally did go on tour in 1998 with a new lead singer, they played 4 TBF songs (Can't Tame the Lion, One More, When You Love a Woman, and Castles Burning). If they had done this with Perry, they would have wound up with a setlist that looks like this (not in order)
Only the Young
Stone in Love
Any Way You Want It
Girl Can't Help It
Send Her My Love
Open Arms
Lights
Wheel in the Sky
Oh Sherrie
Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'
Separate Ways
Don't Stop Believin'
Faithfully
Oh Sherrie
You Better Wait
Can't Tame the Lion
One More
When You Love a Woman
Castles Burning
But I doubt Perry would have done all 4 TBF songs. Like I said earlier, he dropped songs from his FTLOSM tour during the tour, and would have probably preferred to do a 16-song setlist to a 20-song setlist. The most likely songs to be dropped would have been the other 3 from TBF that weren't "When You Love a Woman", which would have left us with this setlist
Only the Young
Stone in Love
Any Way You Want It
Girl Can't Help It
Send Her My Love
Open Arms
Lights
Wheel in the Sky
Oh Sherrie
Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'
Separate Ways
Don't Stop Believin'
Faithfully
Oh Sherrie
You Better Wait
When You Love a Woman
So what do you think, forum?
Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BusNoise, Oct 26, 2019.
BusNoise
Inspired by the recent thread about Journey vs Foreigner.
To get an idea of what the setlist might have been, let's look at the setlist of Journey's 86-87 ROR tour, and Perry's 94-95 FTLOSM solo tour
ROR Tour Setlist
Only the Young
Stone in Love
Any Way You Want It
Girl Can't Help It
Send Her My Love
Open Arms
Still They Ride
Strung Out
Suzanne
Lights
Wheel in the Sky
Raised on Radio
Ask the Lonely
Who's Crying Now
Oh Sherrie
Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'
Jailhouse Rock
Separate Ways
Be Good To Yourself
Don't Stop Believin'
Faithfully
FTLOSM Tour Setlist
Only the Young
Girl Can't Help It
Oh Sherrie
Send Her My Love
Lights
Foolish Heart
You Better Wait
Somewhere There's Hope
Open Arms
Missing You
Listen to Your Heart
I'll Be Alright Without You
Wheel in the Sky
Dixie Highway
Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'
Any Way You Want It
Separate Ways
Don't Stop Believin'
Faithfully
Stone in Love
There are 13 songs in common between the two setlists
Only the Young
Stone in Love
Any Way You Want It
Girl Can't Help It
Send Her My Love
Open Arms
Lights
Wheel in the Sky
Oh Sherrie
Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'
Separate Ways
Don't Stop Believin'
Faithfully
I think it's safe to assume that all of these would have made it onto the TBF Tour setlist. I don't think that the songs from the ROR tour that weren't done on the FTLOSM tour would be done, because a lot of them were songs from ROR that didn't become massive the way "Open Arms" and "Don't Stop Believin'" did, and also since I suspect that some of them ("Strung Out", for example) weren't done on the FTLOSM tour because they were too hard on Perry's voice. I'm also virtually certain that a TBF tour with Perry would have been tuned to Eb, just like Perry's solo FTLOSM tour was.
"Open Arms" and "Stone in Love" were dropped from the FTLOSM tour fairly early on, but I think they would both make a comeback on the TBF tour, if not both than at least "Open Arms", which was the band's biggest hit.
As far as FTLOSM tour songs, I'm virtually certain that "Somewhere There's Hope" and "Listen to Your Heart" wouldn't be played, since neither of them was ever a single, and I know that the other Journey members didn't like playing Perry's solo songs on tour. He would probably be given two solo songs on the TBF tour, just like he was for the ROR tour. In comparison, his solo FTLOSM tour had 6 of his solo songs, and 14 Journey songs.
But which two songs? "Oh Sherrie" would obviously have been one of them, but what would the second one. have been? Probably not "Missing You", since it didn't utilize the entire band and was the lowest-charting of the bunch. That leaves either "Foolish Heart" or "You Better Wait". Even though "Foolish Heart" charted better, I bet that "You Better Wait" would have made the cut instead, since it was both more current at the time, and would allow both of Perry's solo albums to be represented on tour.
When Journey finally did go on tour in 1998 with a new lead singer, they played 4 TBF songs (Can't Tame the Lion, One More, When You Love a Woman, and Castles Burning). If they had done this with Perry, they would have wound up with a setlist that looks like this (not in order)
Only the Young
Stone in Love
Any Way You Want It
Girl Can't Help It
Send Her My Love
Open Arms
Lights
Wheel in the Sky
Oh Sherrie
Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'
Separate Ways
Don't Stop Believin'
Faithfully
Oh Sherrie
You Better Wait
Can't Tame the Lion
One More
When You Love a Woman
Castles Burning
But I doubt Perry would have done all 4 TBF songs. Like I said earlier, he dropped songs from his FTLOSM tour during the tour, and would have probably preferred to do a 16-song setlist to a 20-song setlist. The most likely songs to be dropped would have been the other 3 from TBF that weren't "When You Love a Woman", which would have left us with this setlist
Only the Young
Stone in Love
Any Way You Want It
Girl Can't Help It
Send Her My Love
Open Arms
Lights
Wheel in the Sky
Oh Sherrie
Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'
Separate Ways
Don't Stop Believin'
Faithfully
Oh Sherrie
You Better Wait
When You Love a Woman
So what do you think, forum?