Post by AKA on Jun 10, 2020 8:55:49 GMT
Oppressed, bullied, discriminated against Italian-American Frangelico leads the charge.
Never liked this film, highly overrated IMHO, but this is all getting a bit mad. Should Moonstruck or My Cousin Vinny return with a discussion of their stereotypical, and false, depictions of Italians ? How about Green Book or Do the Right Thing ? I don’t need lectures from children. Bye bye cable and HBO.
There’s always Casablanca. Time to buy a physical copy before it’s too late.
TCM has been doing the same thing. I’m not interested in sitting through it when I simply want to watch a film. Plus TCM has gotten awful with some really bad, late night cult films. I mean far below Arrow Video stuff lol.
Never too late ? Nah, I’ve been reading history and literature for the past forty years. Snacks ? Yes, good suggestion. And naps.
Never liked this film, highly overrated IMHO, but this is all getting a bit mad. Should Moonstruck or My Cousin Vinny return with a discussion of their stereotypical, and false, depictions of Italians ? How about Green Book or Do the Right Thing ? I don’t need lectures from children. Bye bye cable and HBO.
There’s always Casablanca. Time to buy a physical copy before it’s too late.laughup::laughup:
Signed, outraged of Redhatsville, Alabama.
Not really comparing like for like in any way what so ever.
The outrage is from a director who called for the film to be removed. Do you support censorship, say me removing My Cousin Vinny from circulation ? Or a war film or a western or a sci fi ? I don’t.
Really ignorant comment on your part about Alabama - family is from Italy. Italian Americans interned in WWII and some even lynched - the most infamous down in New Orleans in the 19th Century. Bullied and discriminated against when I was younger - also harassed at work multiple times, multiple jobs.
:laughup: :laughup:
Singned, triggered Antifa Vienna
Really ignorant comment on your part about Alabama - family is from Italy. Italian Americans interned in WWII and some even lynched - the most infamous down in New Orleans in the 19th Century. Bullied and discriminated against when I was younger - also harassed at work multiple times, multiple jobs.If you think that’s bad, let me tell you what happened to black people in Gone With the Wind’s antebellum south and why the Confederacy was formed. I hope you’re sitting down, because this is a doozy…
Yes, the murder of “Mr. G.F.” brought to the forefront of national dialogue the racist abscess infecting this country since before its founding, and like it or not, Gone with the Wind is a movie made by racists that glorifies racism.
HBO Max isn’t pulling the movie forever; it will return with — and this is a direct quote from HBO — “a discussion of [the film’s] historical context and a denouncement of those very depictions, but will be presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. If we are to create a more just, equitable and inclusive future, we must first acknowledge and understand our history.”
Everyone wins. This forum collectively lauded Warner Bros. when they presented racist Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry shorts with disclaimer intros from Whoopi Goldberg; this is essentially the same thing.
Yes, not the same circumstances. However, a director called on HBO to ban another director’s work. What’s next - ban Casablanca or a Ford film or Fellini or Godard or maybe Battleship Potemkin because somebody is offended. Or a disclaimer for almost every film, book, piece of music written because it offends someone ? That’s the road were going down - it’s happened with books too, even Bradbury was banned in some school district. What’s next - music ?
HBO Max isn’t pulling the movie forever; it will return with — and this is a direct quote from HBO — “a discussion of [the film’s] historical context and a denouncement of those very depictions, but will be presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. If we are to create a more just, equitable and inclusive future, we must first acknowledge and understand our history.”
Everyone wins. This forum collectively lauded Warner Bros. when they presented racist Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry shorts with disclaimer intros from Whoopi Goldberg; this is essentially the same thing. Sounds reasonable, but they’ll come up with another outrage and another disclaimer over some other work, not necessarily a film. It will never end. I would support a disclaimer that it’s an overrated film lol.
Whoopi Goldberg Wants Disney to Bring Back 'Song of the South' to Start Conversation About Controversial 1946 Film
I think she is 100% right. I can't argue that these films aren't offensive on some level, but at the same time I think we have to accept they do reflect the time in which they were made, and the historical eras that they depict. Ditto with Gone with the Wind, which has some very offensive scenes... but if anything, the reality of life in the 1860s was far worse than what the film showed.
Of course. I know history. It’s a little ironic though that this director, Peele, that called for HBO to remove the film made some fairly racist comments about never casting a white guy in a lead. He could cast whomever he wants, but a racist comment nonetheless.
Frangelico said:
It will return with some sort of “historical discussion.” Never liked this film, highly overrated IMHO, but this is all getting a bit mad. Should Moonstruck or My Cousin Vinny return with a discussion of their stereotypical, and false, depictions of Italians ? How about Green Book or Do the Right Thing ? I don’t need lectures from children. Bye bye cable and HBO.
There’s always Casablanca. Time to buy a physical copy before it’s too late.
bloodlemons said:
I'm sure that "cable and HBO" will fold under the mighty weight of your subscription cancellation.Frangelico said:
Of course not, although cord cutting is a big thing and HBO will probably do pretty well even with more people dropping cable. The point isn’t so much the move by HBO, but the lecture they will add. A bit ridiculous. Wouldn’t watch the film anyway, but it’s a preview of coming attractions - more lectures and historical context about things I already know. And HBO also is doing this with Looney Tunes, also something I’m not interest in watching. But it is a trend - revise, change, lecture. Not really curating.TCM has been doing the same thing. I’m not interested in sitting through it when I simply want to watch a film. Plus TCM has gotten awful with some really bad, late night cult films. I mean far below Arrow Video stuff lol.
bloodlemons said:
I suggest you wait and see how the "lecture from children" turns out. You might learn something. It's never too late. Or, use that time to make a snack. Whatever you need to do.George Blair said:
So there's going to be a discussion added as an extra/intro? This is nothing new, half the films in the Criterion Collection/Channel have some sort of extra historical features/discussions. I don't know why anyone would call it a lecture if it hasn't been seen yet. Either way, I doubt anyone would be forced to watch such a thing without an option to skip to the movie.Frangelico said:
bloodlemons said:
I suggest you wait and see how the "lecture from children" turns out. You might learn something. It's never too late. Or, use that time to make a snack. Whatever you need to do.jimod99 said:
Frangelico said:
It will return with some sort of “historical discussion.” Never liked this film, highly overrated IMHO, but this is all getting a bit mad. Should Moonstruck or My Cousin Vinny return with a discussion of their stereotypical, and false, depictions of Italians ? How about Green Book or Do the Right Thing ? I don’t need lectures from children. Bye bye cable and HBO.
There’s always Casablanca. Time to buy a physical copy before it’s too late.
Signed, outraged of Redhatsville, Alabama.
eddiel said:
Frangelico said:
Should Moonstruck or My Cousin Vinny return with a discussion of their stereotypical, and false, depictions of Italians ?Frangelico said:
jimod99 said:
Signed, outraged of Redhatsville, Alabama.Really ignorant comment on your part about Alabama - family is from Italy. Italian Americans interned in WWII and some even lynched - the most infamous down in New Orleans in the 19th Century. Bullied and discriminated against when I was younger - also harassed at work multiple times, multiple jobs.
Scott222C said:
jimod99 said:
Signed, outraged of Redhatsville, Alabama.Singned, triggered Antifa Vienna
AKA said:
Frangelico said:
The outrage is from a director who called for the film to be removed. Do you support censorship, say me removing My Cousin Vinny from circulation ? Or a war film or a western or a sci fi ? I don’t. Really ignorant comment on your part about Alabama - family is from Italy. Italian Americans interned in WWII and some even lynched - the most infamous down in New Orleans in the 19th Century. Bullied and discriminated against when I was younger - also harassed at work multiple times, multiple jobs.
PH416156 said:
Let's be frank, if Mr G. F. was still alive, they wouldn't have removed it.AKA said:
PH416156 said:
Let's be frank, if Mr G. F. was still alive, they wouldn't have removed it.HBO Max isn’t pulling the movie forever; it will return with — and this is a direct quote from HBO — “a discussion of [the film’s] historical context and a denouncement of those very depictions, but will be presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. If we are to create a more just, equitable and inclusive future, we must first acknowledge and understand our history.”
Everyone wins. This forum collectively lauded Warner Bros. when they presented racist Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry shorts with disclaimer intros from Whoopi Goldberg; this is essentially the same thing.
Frangelico said:
eddiel said:
Not really comparing like for like in any way what so ever.Frangelico said:
AKA said:
Yes, the murder of “Mr. G.F.” brought to the forefront of national dialogue the racist abscess infecting this country since before its founding, and like it or not, Gone with the Wind is a movie made by racists that glorifies racism.HBO Max isn’t pulling the movie forever; it will return with — and this is a direct quote from HBO — “a discussion of [the film’s] historical context and a denouncement of those very depictions, but will be presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. If we are to create a more just, equitable and inclusive future, we must first acknowledge and understand our history.”
Everyone wins. This forum collectively lauded Warner Bros. when they presented racist Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry shorts with disclaimer intros from Whoopi Goldberg; this is essentially the same thing.
Vidiot said:
We have talked about this before. No less than Whoopi Goldberg has argued that it's more harmful to ignore racism and ignorance and pretend these films never existed. She's made a good case that Amos & Andy and Song of the South should be preserved and presented in historical context, and has even offered to provide a documentary discussion of these shows so that they can still be shown, even if only in a limited way. Here's what she's said:Whoopi Goldberg Wants Disney to Bring Back 'Song of the South' to Start Conversation About Controversial 1946 Film
I think she is 100% right. I can't argue that these films aren't offensive on some level, but at the same time I think we have to accept they do reflect the time in which they were made, and the historical eras that they depict. Ditto with Gone with the Wind, which has some very offensive scenes... but if anything, the reality of life in the 1860s was far worse than what the film showed.
Frangelico said:
AKA said:
If you think that’s bad, let me tell you what happened to black people in Gone With the Wind’s antebellum south and why the Confederacy was formed. I hope you’re sitting down, because this is a doozy…