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Post by kingdiamond on Jul 30, 2022 12:39:12 GMT
Sadly, the duopoly will never end. I'm done with both major parties. Not that I would have ever voted for a Republican anyway. But the Roe V Wade issue was the final straw for me. We had two democrat presidents who ran on codifying Roe V Wade and did nothing about it. And harassing voters to keep them from voting third party in places like North Carolina doesn't sit well either. Life hasn't changed at all for most middle class Americans since Biden took office. In fact, it's arguably worse, and I never thought I'd say that. Don't get me wrong, 2020 was a fucking nightmare. But we still have racism, we still have cops murdering black men in cold blood and a virus that keeps mutating in a thousand different ways. But now we have inflation, high gas prices and a proxy war with Russia added to the mix. Voting for more Dems is not going to get us out of this mess. I'm done with the abusive relationship.
Then get ready to hail to King DeSantis. Once that fucker gets in, he’s never going to leave. (He enthralls the deplorables, but unlike TFG, he’s not an idiot.) OR Dems could finally do something to get people to vote for them. They have two more years. Joe Biden's approval rating is just about as low as Trump's ever was. Most Dems don't even want that guy to run again. Why do you think that is? Sign some executive orders. Cut some checks-not just to the MID, but to the American people. Forgive some student loans. But don't tell us you're helpless because of Manchin and Sinema and if we vote harder next election, this time you really WILL do something to protect women's rights. Dems are so pathetic and weak and yet half the country will vote for them because Republicans. And that's why we will always be stuck with the duopoly.
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Post by Mediocrates on Jul 30, 2022 13:42:16 GMT
I blame myself. The problem is, I already know what the Republican is. They don't hide it, they always do awful shit and nothing's shocking. It's my dumb ass fault for always thinking the Democrats are gonna come in and get something done. Maybe they will, but they aim high and shoot low. Democrats are still playing nice. We need Biden and Harris to start telling the Ted Cruzes and Donald Trumps to fuck off and die and do what we want anyway. Why do you think Biden and Harris doing that would make the slightest bit of difference? "What we want' gets 'done' by Congress. The Senate is evenly split. The Senate GOP is a granite wall against whatever Biden or Schumer or Pelosi propose. That means it comes down to getting every single Democrat onboard. That includes Lucy Manchin and Sphinx Sinema. That's where we are now because not enough people in the right places voted for Democrats in Senate races 2020. I can't believe I have to explain this at this point. We do what we do because it's all we can do.
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Post by jasonvinyl on Aug 1, 2022 12:47:43 GMT
Biden is awful. Trump was awful. Trump will be awful again in 2024, unless DeSantis comes up with a plan to beat him in the primary. I live in the south and the January 6th hearings are making the people around me salivate to vote for Trump again. End the duopoly.
Sadly, the duopoly will never end. I'm done with both major parties. Not that I would have ever voted for a Republican anyway. But the Roe V Wade issue was the final straw for me. We had two democrat presidents who ran on codifying Roe V Wade and did nothing about it. And harassing voters to keep them from voting third party in places like North Carolina doesn't sit well either. Life hasn't changed at all for most middle class Americans since Biden took office. In fact, it's arguably worse, and I never thought I'd say that. Don't get me wrong, 2020 was a fucking nightmare. But we still have racism, we still have cops murdering black men in cold blood and a virus that keeps mutating in a thousand different ways. But now we have inflation, high gas prices and a proxy war with Russia added to the mix. Voting for more Dems is not going to get us out of this mess. I'm done with the abusive relationship.
Same. I'll only vote for a true socialist, which has never made a serious run. Even Bernie was socialist lite and would have signed off on the same things Obama or Biden sign off on.
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Post by krabapple on Aug 1, 2022 17:10:54 GMT
Biden is awful. Trump was awful. Trump will be awful again in 2024, unless DeSantis comes up with a plan to beat him in the primary. I live in the south and the January 6th hearings are making the people around me salivate to vote for Trump again. End the duopoly.
Sadly, the duopoly will never end. I'm done with both major parties. Not that I would have ever voted for a Republican anyway. But the Roe V Wade issue was the final straw for me. We had two democrat presidents who ran on codifying Roe V Wade and did nothing about it. And harassing voters to keep them from voting third party in places like North Carolina doesn't sit well either. Life hasn't changed at all for most middle class Americans since Biden took office. In fact, it's arguably worse, and I never thought I'd say that. Don't get me wrong, 2020 was a fucking nightmare. But we still have racism, we still have cops murdering black men in cold blood and a virus that keeps mutating in a thousand different ways. But now we have inflation, high gas prices and a proxy war with Russia added to the mix. Voting for more Dems is not going to get us out of this mess. I'm done with the abusive relationship.
inflation: a worldwide phenomenon, though stimulus money (which saved a lot of asses and businesses and jobs during the worst of the pandemic) is responsible for some (likely small) percent of it here. Democrats should not have ...? Democrats should....? gas prices: set on the world market. No administration has ever had 'control' of them. Then Russia/Ukraine war. Currently gas prices are dropping. Democrats should not have ...? Democrats should....? proxy war with Russia: started by Russia invading Ukraine with intent to recreate the Russian Empire and intimidate other former Eastern bloc countries; and apart from being a better democracy than Russia, Ukraine is also an important source of grain. Democrats should not have ...? Democrats should....? Supply chain issues are *still* playing a big role in the world economy. The pandemic and its sequelae are not over. So I'm tired of hearing these whines. Americans are fucking babies with zero historical memory. We are always responding to a snapshot of history. Inflation will end. Gas prices will come down. Russia/Ukraine will resolve. Supply chains will recover. Climate change, and other structural crises, will still be here. The GOP will still fuck you harder than Democrats will.
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Post by Boozin' Susan on Aug 1, 2022 19:14:42 GMT
Sadly, the duopoly will never end. I'm done with both major parties. Not that I would have ever voted for a Republican anyway. But the Roe V Wade issue was the final straw for me. We had two democrat presidents who ran on codifying Roe V Wade and did nothing about it. And harassing voters to keep them from voting third party in places like North Carolina doesn't sit well either. Life hasn't changed at all for most middle class Americans since Biden took office. In fact, it's arguably worse, and I never thought I'd say that. Don't get me wrong, 2020 was a fucking nightmare. But we still have racism, we still have cops murdering black men in cold blood and a virus that keeps mutating in a thousand different ways. But now we have inflation, high gas prices and a proxy war with Russia added to the mix. Voting for more Dems is not going to get us out of this mess. I'm done with the abusive relationship.
inflation: a worldwide phenomenon, though stimulus money (which saved a lot of asses and businesses and jobs during the worst of the pandemic) is responsible for some (likely small) percent of it here. Democrats should not have ...? Democrats should....? gas prices: set on the world market. No administration has ever had 'control' of them. Then Russia/Ukraine war. Currently gas prices are dropping. Democrats should not have ...? Democrats should....? proxy war with Russia: started by Russia invading Ukraine with intent to recreate the Russian Empire and intimidate other former Eastern bloc countries; and apart from being a better democracy than Russia, Ukraine is also an important source of grain. Democrats should not have ...? Democrats should....? Supply chain issues are *still* playing a big role in the world economy. The pandemic and its sequelae are not over. So I'm tired of hearing these whines. Americans are fucking babies with zero historical memory. We are always responding to a snapshot of history. Inflation will end. Gas prices will come down. Russia/Ukraine will resolve. Supply chains will recover. Climate change, and other structural crises, will still be here. The GOP will still fuck you harder than Democrats will. Nicely put.
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Post by Potsie Hoofman on Aug 1, 2022 19:47:46 GMT
Krabapple has a few good points. And while they both fuck us, at least the Democrats try to act like they're not making us sleep in the wet spot.
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Post by essayceedee on Aug 1, 2022 20:34:46 GMT
Climate change and the domino effects it’s causing is by far the greatest existential threat in human history. Democrat/Republican won’t mean shit when the water wars and food wars begin. We’re in for a hell of a ride.
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Post by Mediocrates on Aug 2, 2022 13:53:19 GMT
I have a lot of problems with the Dems and Biden, but look at the other team.
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Post by GeddyLeePierce on Aug 2, 2022 16:55:11 GMT
Cheers to Biden and cheers to Pelosi for having the stones to stand up to China. Fuck China.
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Post by Mediocrates on Aug 2, 2022 17:20:38 GMT
Wish he had the same approach to his middle east visit.
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Post by lotsoflaughs on Aug 2, 2022 19:09:49 GMT
Wish he had the same approach to his middle east visit. Stop bothsidesing it. MSNBC told me Russia is pure evil, and Deng is this century's Hitler, but they don't cover the war in Yemen or other Saudi malfeasance at all, so it clearly doesn't exist. It's not like the same New American Century creeps that gave us Iraq and Afghanistan, Guantanamo etc. are influential over the extremely left-wing Biden administration. It's not like hegemony of US clients like Saudi Arabia in the Persian Gulf is crucial to their dreams of American dominance of the world, any more than a US client state on the doorstep of Russia would be. Next you will be telling me that the CIA and US special ops engineered coups or proxy wars in Greece, Albania, Italy, Iran, Guatemala, China, Korea, Indonesia and East Timor, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Congo, Burkina Faso, Nicaragua, Haiti and the Dominican Republic, Bolivia, Chile, etc. etc.
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Post by jasonvinyl on Aug 3, 2022 13:57:37 GMT
Wish he had the same approach to his middle east visit. Stop bothsidesing it. MSNBC told me Russia is pure evil, and Deng is this century's Hitler, but they don't cover the war in Yemen or other Saudi malfeasance at all, so it clearly doesn't exist. It's not like the same New American Century creeps that gave us Iraq and Afghanistan, Guantanamo etc. are influential over the extremely left-wing Biden administration. It's not like hegemony of US clients like Saudi Arabia in the Persian Gulf is crucial to their dreams of American dominance of the world, any more than a US client state on the doorstep of Russia would be. Next you will be telling me that the CIA and US special ops engineered coups or proxy wars in Greece, Albania, Italy, Iran, Guatemala, China, Korea, Indonesia and East Timor, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Congo, Burkina Faso, Nicaragua, Haiti and the Dominican Republic, Bolivia, Chile, etc. etc. I see what you did there. I wish people would see imperialism and capitalism as the enemy rather than anti-imperialist countries.
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Post by krabapple on Aug 3, 2022 18:40:03 GMT
I wish people would see that both 'imperialist' and 'anti-imperialist' countries can be pretty fucking heinous. And that's not 'bothsiderism' it's reflecting that simplistic binaries are simplistic.
I doubt I've watched MSNBC more than once in the last decade. Ditto CNN and ditto any'TV news' organization. You can't seriously claim no mainstream media have written about the war in Yemen, or Saudi malfeasance there and otherwise. How did you even learn of Khashoggi's murder? What article about Biden's fistbump DIDN'T mention it?
Yes, the US is imperialist and engineered coups. It's also got a sclerotic political establishment, at least half of which is trending batshit crazy. And the Democrats still coddle neocons. That's all pretty fucking heinous.
Poor scared Russia, stuck between Europe and China, frantic that NATO will launch an offensive attack on it from Ukraine. Or Poland? Or maybe Putin's just using that as a pretext for reclaiming naughty Eastern Bloc states? Nah, he's not that evil. The way he's shut down opposition voices in Russia over the last decades and made himself President for Life? Overblown. The *real* Russians, in the heartland, in diners, workin' hard, drivin' Broncos (oops, wrong country), they *love* Vladimir. He sticks it to the elites! And meddling in other countries? Russia NEVER did that. Shut your mouth. All CIA propaganda. Or maybe Soros.
Deng hasn't run China since he...died twenty plus years ago. Now, President for Life Xi is *beloved* by his people. Admittedly maybe not if you are a protester or even just a Uigher, and you might want to ask Tibetans whether China is imperialist or not. Or poll some Taiwanese. Unless that's all CIA propaganda. And btw Nancy's only in taiwan because her husband invests in chips. Or something. Let me check with Glenn Greenwald.
Nicaragua? Ortega? Yeah, that turned out well. But maybe just more propaganda? US bad, others therefore not bad. Democrats and Republicans, same thing!
Isn't it pretty to think it's all just that simple?
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Post by jasonvinyl on Aug 3, 2022 19:32:28 GMT
I wish people would see that both 'imperialist' and 'anti-imperialist' countries can be pretty fucking heinous. And that's not 'bothsiderism' it's reflecting that simplistic binaries are simplistic. I doubt I've watched MSNBC more than once in the last decade. Ditto CNN and ditto any'TV news' organization. You can't seriously claim no mainstream media have written about the war in Yemen, or Saudi malfeasance there and otherwise. How did you even learn of Khashoggi's murder? What article about Biden's fistbump DIDN'T mention it? Yes, the US is imperialist and engineered coups. It's also got a sclerotic political establishment, at least half of which is trending batshit crazy. And the Democrats still coddle neocons. That's all pretty fucking heinous. Poor scared Russia, stuck between Europe and China, frantic that NATO will launch an offensive attack on it from Ukraine. Or Poland? Or maybe Putin's just using that as a pretext for reclaiming naughty Eastern Bloc states? Nah, he's not that evil. The way he's shut down opposition voices in Russia over the last decades and made himself President for Life? Overblown. The *real* Russians, in the heartland, in diners, workin' hard, drivin' Broncos (oops, wrong country), they *love* Vladimir. He sticks it to the elites! And meddling in other countries? Russia NEVER did that. Shut your mouth. All CIA propaganda. Or maybe Soros. Deng hasn't run China since he...died twenty plus years ago. Now, President for Life Xi is *beloved* by his people. Admittedly maybe not if you are a protester or even just a Uigher, and you might want to ask Tibetans whether China is imperialist or not. Or poll some Taiwanese. Unless that's all CIA propaganda. And btw Nancy's only in taiwan because her husband invests in chips. Or something. Let me check with Glenn Greenwald. Nicaragua? Ortega? Yeah, that turned out well. But maybe just more propaganda? US bad, others therefore not bad. Democrats and Republicans, same thing! Isn't it pretty to think it's all just that simple? China isn't imperialist, in any form or fashion. We broke the rules of NATO with out attempted eastern expansion, which we said we wouldn't...Minsk Agreement...naaa dude, we are the bad guy, from day one. Look at the founding of the country itself.
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Post by krabapple on Aug 7, 2022 2:20:37 GMT
So I wrote all this stuff
I wish people would see that both 'imperialist' and 'anti-imperialist' countries can be pretty fucking heinous. And that's not 'bothsiderism' it's reflecting that simplistic binaries are simplistic. I doubt I've watched MSNBC more than once in the last decade. Ditto CNN and ditto any'TV news' organization. You can't seriously claim no mainstream media have written about the war in Yemen, or Saudi malfeasance there and otherwise. How did you even learn of Khashoggi's murder? What article about Biden's fistbump DIDN'T mention it? Yes, the US is imperialist and engineered coups. It's also got a sclerotic political establishment, at least half of which is trending batshit crazy. And the Democrats still coddle neocons. That's all pretty fucking heinous. Poor scared Russia, stuck between Europe and China, frantic that NATO will launch an offensive attack on it from Ukraine. Or Poland? Or maybe Putin's just using that as a pretext for reclaiming naughty Eastern Bloc states? Nah, he's not that evil. The way he's shut down opposition voices in Russia over the last decades and made himself President for Life? Overblown. The *real* Russians, in the heartland, in diners, workin' hard, drivin' Broncos (oops, wrong country), they *love* Vladimir. He sticks it to the elites! And meddling in other countries? Russia NEVER did that. Shut your mouth. All CIA propaganda. Or maybe Soros. Deng hasn't run China since he...died twenty plus years ago. Now, President for Life Xi is *beloved* by his people. Admittedly maybe not if you are a protester or even just a Uigher, and you might want to ask Tibetans whether China is imperialist or not. Or poll some Taiwanese. Unless that's all CIA propaganda. And btw Nancy's only in taiwan because her husband invests in chips. Or something. Let me check with Glenn Greenwald. Nicaragua? Ortega? Yeah, that turned out well. But maybe just more propaganda? US bad, others therefore not bad. Democrats and Republicans, same thing! Isn't it pretty to think it's all just that simple? And your retort was: Well at least you didn't write *ever*. But really, that dubious claim is the hill you'd die on?? How many forms of imperialism do you think exist? Also, 'we' 'said' to Ukraine that it was safe for it to divest its nuclear arsenal. And Russia 'said' to Ukraine it was ok with Ukraine being a sovereign country. Good times. In all the years since the USSR disintegrated, I don't recall 'us' threatening to do what Russia 'says' it is so afraid of 'us' doing. Even as Poland , Romania , Slovakia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania Estonia, all signed on with 'us' (NATO) to protect themselves again....who, I wonder? Have any of these countries launched (or been the launchpad of) any invasions of Russia that I missed since then? But Ukraine joining NATO would be absolutely terrifying? If Russia has no revanchist imperial ambitions, and also wants to discourage countries from joining NATO, it sure has a curious way of showing it.
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