Please Shut The Fuck Up: The mpayan Thread

I try and respect all opinions, even if they are proven wrong. And if I am wrong or proven wrong, I have no issue admitting so.

And no disrespect to anyone who is a professional but professionals have been known to be wrong also. While I hold the George Martin's of the world in high esteem, we have to admit he has been off about a few important things concerning even his own work from time to time. Confidence in ones profession and knowledge is good. Facts are better.

The phasey/swooshy sounding cymbals are not on the original, they are on the 2022 remix. So not sure how we can attribute this to the compressor used.

One doesnt support facts with no audible evidence, but rather by evidence of not just one but many hearing this. It is witness supported. Just because you dont hear it doesnt mean it isnt there.

I mean its ok if you dont. Not condemning you for not being able to hear what others are hearing.

As far as my experiences with Steven Wilson and remixes, Id say it is more a reason of just not hearing many of his because Im not too interested in the artists. That is why I said a couple.

Over all, for one reason or another, I think many would admit that remixes are less successful at times than successful.

Doesnt mean I dont like the concept, I just rarely like the execution.

Them not being the product for me has nothing to with me liking or disliking the concept of remixes. It doesnt come into play.

I do sometimes wonder if remixes are a bit of a crapshoot. That is, what the engineers and pros that do remixing "hear" in their heads how they want a remix to go becomes very different at times when the dissection actually is finished.

Do you enjoy hearing improvements of your favorite albums? Then your an audiophile. Its a good thing. Not an eletist thing.

Im far from I have to have everything match my $100,000 systems golden eared only system. I have a fairly meager system in comparison to many. And I have tons of bootlegs that I enjoy. So I dont want everything to sound like a Diana Krall or James Taylor audiophiled up version.

Are there aspects that take more digging to hear? Sure. But if one is familiar with the original stereo version that description Chris M gave doesnt really even need to do an A/B. However, if one did compare, then it is even more obvious.

Im not denying you the right to enjoy this remix. You like it? Cool. But these arent descriptions that take some golden eared eletist attitude to hear.

I mean that in a good way. Its good that its not some complicated deeply hidden sound quality descriptor.

 "In the background you hear a cough and stray guitar notes amongst other strange noises. McCartney describes these as sounds that were on the tape, Lennon adding that he “thought (the listeners) would like to hear it.”

Sorry John, it has been decided that we would rather not hear the hum. Get lost.

Seriously, I doubt anyone is dismissing the entire mix because the hum is gone.

For me, it isn't so much that the hum is all important (though I agree with those who say a bit of character is lost with the hum gone) , but rather:

"Why is it gone?" "What caused it to be gone? "What is the logic behind it disappearing?" "How does it being gone improve things?

Most importantly for me is:

Ultimately, I dont think it is a deal breaker in and of itself that the hum is gone but rather a tell.

It causes me, once again, to question the reasoning. As did decisions in the past that made no sense IMO to do.
Another red flag and a case of uneeded change imo. Which reinforces my understanding that other changes/occurances have happened that didnt really need to.

I cant see how getting rid of it was a result of demixing. Its at the very beginning of the track. Maybe it is. If it is a case of the demixing removing the hum, then this just adds to the pile of things demixing does showing it isnt a technique that is quite ready for prime time IMO.

More than likely, if the remixing of future Revolver tracks match the results of past remixes of the Beatles, the "hum" issue will be the least of the worries.

And once again with the accusations and poor approach that if some do not like a certain aspect then that means they have immature minds on the same level as a childrens show or folks need their ears examined. But not surprising, the rather insulting/rude reaction by a few.
mpayan