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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Feb 18, 2018 18:23:02 GMT
Or only the vast majority?
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Post by Chicken in Black on Feb 18, 2018 19:12:16 GMT
Nah... Just the live ones.
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Post by Mediocrates on Feb 18, 2018 22:37:55 GMT
There are two kinds of Zappa fans...
but, yeah, they're all assholes.
Some are fine people.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Feb 19, 2018 0:10:14 GMT
And Grateful Dead fans too.
Them and their 100 live concert box sets.
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Post by graucho on Feb 19, 2018 0:40:41 GMT
The ones that think this is a work of genius, and who are deluded into thinking other people are inferior for not realising what an incredible work of art it is- those ones are.
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Post by amygrant on Feb 19, 2018 1:12:29 GMT
I agree, and I am a Zappa fan. Fuck, I even like Thing-Fish.
The problem is that people actually think EVERYTHING was fucking stupendous and that is a goddamn lie.
Anyone who deludes themselves into thinking anything from the Terry Bozzio era is remotely good is an idiot. The Bozzio/O'Hearn rhythm section is one of the fucking worst , white people pieces of shit I have ever heard.
Strip down that shit, and the bloated 80s stuff with the horrible sounding drums and you're left with some really good stuff.
Roxy and Elsewhere
One Size Fits All
Freak Out!
Wazoo
Imaginary Diseases
Stage 1
Stage 2
Joes Garage
YAWYI (except for the bullshit Jumbo song)
Disc two of Stage 5
Make a Jazz Noise Here
Yellow Shark
Buffalo
Shit-List
Everything Else, and yes that includes the pile of ass-barf that is Sheik Yerbouti.
What kills me, are how the Zappa fans behave. They look at him as some kind of deity. The dude constantly cheated on his wife, had a groupie living in the basement, ignored his kid, clung to a pathetic line about how cigarettes weren't as dangerous as "they" would have you believe etc.
But they jerk-off over his personality.
Arthur Barrow put out a book a couple of years ago, it is an entertaining read. You get a sense of how fucked up FZ was. Barrow's dad dies while they're on the road. Barrow goes into FZ's dressing room and FZ's response is along the lines of "I hope you don't use it as an excuse to fuck up the show."
As his time with Zappa continues, he gets fed up with the fact that songs like Inca Roads, Sofa etc. were getting dropped for terrible 80s Zappa, so he splits.
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Feb 19, 2018 1:59:20 GMT
I agree, and I am a Zappa fan. Fuck, I even like Thing-Fish. The problem is that people actually think EVERYTHING was fucking stupendous and that is a goddamn lie. Anyone who deludes themselves into thinking anything from the Terry Bozzio era is remotely good is an idiot. The Bozzio/O'Hearn rhythm section is one of the fucking worst , white people pieces of shit I have ever heard. Strip down that shit, and the bloated 80s stuff with the horrible sounding drums and you're left with some really good stuff. Roxy and Elsewhere One Size Fits All Freak Out! Wazoo Imaginary Diseases Stage 1 Stage 2 Joes Garage YAWYI (except for the bullshit Jumbo song) Disc two of Stage 5 Make a Jazz Noise Here Yellow Shark Buffalo Shit-List Everything Else, and yes that includes the pile of ass-barf that is Sheik Yerbouti. What kills me, are how the Zappa fans behave. They look at him as some kind of deity. The dude constantly cheated on his wife, had a groupie living in the basement, ignored his kid, clung to a pathetic line about how cigarettes weren't as dangerous as "they" would have you believe etc. But they jerk-off over his personality. Arthur Barrow put out a book a couple of years ago, it is an entertaining read. You get a sense of how fucked up FZ was. Barrow's dad dies while they're on the road. Barrow goes into FZ's dressing room and FZ's response is along the lines of "I hope you don't use it as an excuse to fuck up the show." As his time with Zappa continues, he gets fed up with the fact that songs like Inca Roads, Sofa etc. were getting dropped for terrible 80s Zappa, so he splits. I saw Arthur Barrow, along with Tommy Mars, as part of Robby Krieger's band. They would throw in a Zappa song or two into the set. I enjoyed those moments more than pretty much anything I've watched or heard from the man himself.* His interviews and appearances are entertaining, even if I don't agree with everything he says, it's just the way he goes about saying it. Far and away he had an overinflated ego and a lot of his fans just eat it all up. In some way, I sorta lump him and Lou Reed in the same boat personality wise. Both guys I wouldn't want to know. But Reed never tried to pass himself off as a brilliant composer and all around genius that was above it all. He was an rude asshole who saw himself as a rude asshole. And at least Reed's shit was never ridiculously bad. *Hot Rats though, man. |
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Post by amygrant on Feb 19, 2018 2:00:49 GMT
I agree, and I am a Zappa fan. Fuck, I even like Thing-Fish. The problem is that people actually think EVERYTHING was fucking stupendous and that is a goddamn lie. Anyone who deludes themselves into thinking anything from the Terry Bozzio era is remotely good is an idiot. The Bozzio/O'Hearn rhythm section is one of the fucking worst , white people pieces of shit I have ever heard. Strip down that shit, and the bloated 80s stuff with the horrible sounding drums and you're left with some really good stuff. Roxy and Elsewhere One Size Fits All Freak Out! Wazoo Imaginary Diseases Stage 1 Stage 2 Joes Garage YAWYI (except for the bullshit Jumbo song) Disc two of Stage 5 Make a Jazz Noise Here Yellow Shark Buffalo Shit-List Everything Else, and yes that includes the pile of ass-barf that is Sheik Yerbouti. What kills me, are how the Zappa fans behave. They look at him as some kind of deity. The dude constantly cheated on his wife, had a groupie living in the basement, ignored his kid, clung to a pathetic line about how cigarettes weren't as dangerous as "they" would have you believe etc. But they jerk-off over his personality. Arthur Barrow put out a book a couple of years ago, it is an entertaining read. You get a sense of how fucked up FZ was. Barrow's dad dies while they're on the road. Barrow goes into FZ's dressing room and FZ's response is along the lines of "I hope you don't use it as an excuse to fuck up the show." As his time with Zappa continues, he gets fed up with the fact that songs like Inca Roads, Sofa etc. were getting dropped for terrible 80s Zappa, so he splits. I saw Arthur Barrow, along with Tommy Mars, as part of Robby Krieger's band. They would throw in a Zappa song or two into the set. I enjoyed those moments more than pretty much anything I've watched or heard from the man himself.* His interviews and appearances are entertaining, even if I don't agree with everything he says, it's just the way he goes about saying it. Far and away he had an overinflated ego and a lot of his fans just eat it all up. In some way, I sorta lump him and Lou Reed in the same boat personality wise. Both guys I wouldn't want to know. But Reed never tried to pass himself off as a brilliant composer and all around genius that was above it all. He was an rude asshole who saw himself as a rude asshole. And at least Reed's shit was never ridiculously bad. *Hot Rats though, man. Yeah I left off Hot Rats. Great one. And apparently Zappa and Reed hated each other, how appropriate! |
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Post by blahdiofile on Feb 19, 2018 4:51:33 GMT
Zappa had some amazingly stupid fucking ideas about people and society. some of his shitty ideas find welcome homes. Hot Rats is awesome though.
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Post by amygrant on Feb 19, 2018 5:27:50 GMT
Zappa had some amazingly stupid fucking ideas about people and society. some of his shitty ideas find welcome homes. Hot Rats is awesome though. The official Zappa forum and Zappateers are full of people who buy into all of that shit. |
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Post by thisonehurts on Feb 19, 2018 9:54:45 GMT
I must admit to a ghoulish fascination with the Zappa Family At War thread over there. A bit like the Smashing Pumpkins reunion thread. There's just something awful and compulsive about it.
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Post by sₚⲁᵣₖydₒg on Feb 19, 2018 15:29:04 GMT
January, 1983—Jam Session with Tommy Tedesco & Joe Pass
Joe and Tommy Tedesco were doing a NAMM show in Anaheim California in the early 1980s. [...] The story goes like this according to Joe Pass and I'm paraphrasing: "Tommy and I were both very excited to hear the Frank Zappa would be gracing our small stage that day at the NAMM show." Joe went on to say "In fact I was nervous, my palms were sweating, I had read and heard that this man was one of the greatest guitarists and composers of all time, like a modern day Mozart."
"We played a set, we waited, no Zappa, we played another set, still no Zappa. By this time, the suspense was killing both Tedesco and myself," (myself meaning Joe Pass.)
"At last, we see a dark haired man wearing a black long cape surrounded by a flock of worshipers coming toward our stage. We had to stop playing because there was complete chaos around our booth as Zappa was signing autographs and his fans were trying to touch his garment."
"After an hour of worship and autographs, he picks up a guitar and bangs out a couple of loud bar chords. Zappa turns to Tommy and asks, 'What do you guys what to play?'" Joe Pass started to rattle off tunes like Giant Steps, a John Coltrane classic, hey, Joe said, "we figured this Zappa guy is the best, lets play the most demanding music possible."
"After requesting more then two dozen standards, we realized this guy couldn't play any standards, not one. We ended up playing a TOO loud 12 bar blues, that's all Frank could play. It was pathetic."
Pino Marrone, Facebook
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Post by graucho on Feb 19, 2018 20:46:23 GMT
January, 1983—Jam Session with Tommy Tedesco & Joe Pass Joe and Tommy Tedesco were doing a NAMM show in Anaheim California in the early 1980s. [...] The story goes like this according to Joe Pass and I'm paraphrasing: "Tommy and I were both very excited to hear the Frank Zappa would be gracing our small stage that day at the NAMM show." Joe went on to say "In fact I was nervous, my palms were sweating, I had read and heard that this man was one of the greatest guitarists and composers of all time, like a modern day Mozart." "We played a set, we waited, no Zappa, we played another set, still no Zappa. By this time, the suspense was killing both Tedesco and myself," (myself meaning Joe Pass.) "At last, we see a dark haired man wearing a black long cape surrounded by a flock of worshipers coming toward our stage. We had to stop playing because there was complete chaos around our booth as Zappa was signing autographs and his fans were trying to touch his garment." "After an hour of worship and autographs, he picks up a guitar and bangs out a couple of loud bar chords. Zappa turns to Tommy and asks, 'What do you guys what to play?'" Joe Pass started to rattle off tunes like Giant Steps, a John Coltrane classic, hey, Joe said, "we figured this Zappa guy is the best, lets play the most demanding music possible." "After requesting more then two dozen standards, we realized this guy couldn't play any standards, not one. We ended up playing a TOO loud 12 bar blues, that's all Frank could play. It was pathetic." Pino Marrone, Facebook Just had a look at that and it seems that the origin of that story is Steve Laury, and that Pino is the owner of this photo, which shows Pass, Tedesco and Zappa. It's apparently dated January 1983, at a Californian restaurant. Tedesco had apparently just done a session for Zappa. Maybe Joe Pass did tell that story, but I would't be surprised if an aspect of its telling hadn't got altered.
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Post by amygrant on Feb 19, 2018 22:59:49 GMT
January, 1983—Jam Session with Tommy Tedesco & Joe Pass Joe and Tommy Tedesco were doing a NAMM show in Anaheim California in the early 1980s. [...] The story goes like this according to Joe Pass and I'm paraphrasing: "Tommy and I were both very excited to hear the Frank Zappa would be gracing our small stage that day at the NAMM show." Joe went on to say "In fact I was nervous, my palms were sweating, I had read and heard that this man was one of the greatest guitarists and composers of all time, like a modern day Mozart." "We played a set, we waited, no Zappa, we played another set, still no Zappa. By this time, the suspense was killing both Tedesco and myself," (myself meaning Joe Pass.) "At last, we see a dark haired man wearing a black long cape surrounded by a flock of worshipers coming toward our stage. We had to stop playing because there was complete chaos around our booth as Zappa was signing autographs and his fans were trying to touch his garment." "After an hour of worship and autographs, he picks up a guitar and bangs out a couple of loud bar chords. Zappa turns to Tommy and asks, 'What do you guys what to play?'" Joe Pass started to rattle off tunes like Giant Steps, a John Coltrane classic, hey, Joe said, "we figured this Zappa guy is the best, lets play the most demanding music possible." "After requesting more then two dozen standards, we realized this guy couldn't play any standards, not one. We ended up playing a TOO loud 12 bar blues, that's all Frank could play. It was pathetic." Pino Marrone, Facebook Just had a look at that and it seems that the origin of that story is Steve Laury, and that Pino is the owner of this photo, which shows Pass, Tedesco and Zappa. It's apparently dated January 1983, at a Californian restaurant. Tedesco had apparently just done a session for Zappa. Maybe Joe Pass did tell that story, but I would't be surprised if an aspect of its telling hadn't got altered.
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I've seen that photo before. Yeah, I doubt that story occurred in the way it is mentioned. I can talk shit about him all day, but one of the good aspects of Zappa was the fact that he genuinely didn't give a fuck about what others considered to be "important." Of course he isn't going to know the same shit a bunch of jazz snobs do. He is a Zappa snob. Also, he probably hadn't played guitar since the end of the 82 tour and he loved volume (TOO LOUD). No wonder his remixes sounded like shit, he was half deaf. Sounds like two pots calling each other black. |
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Post by aggressivebeta on Mar 4, 2018 13:29:53 GMT
Obnoxious? No. Assholes? Definitely.
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