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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 14:47:09 GMT
I really have no idea why Hoofy and Hoofyville is irritating me so much this weekend, but STeVE and his know it all about all of this is just annoying. Again, I think he is just jealous that even when he had a “career” he wasn’t respected enough to get his hands on tapes like these. And now with zero career and a Vicodin addiction he needs to keep up with he just needs to take his withdrawal anger out on other things he has no control over.
That said, I find your comments here about the quality so much more informative and “to me they sound great” or “if you adjust the treble they sound good” and things like that. Not this self inflicted expert feeling the people of Hoofyville have. And you don’t even have a profile filled out for me to respect your opinions, too.
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Post by bradman on Sept 2, 2018 16:07:21 GMT
Rest assured, it's more important to have those great albums and enjoy them, than to worry about the mastering
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Post by essayceedee on Sept 2, 2018 19:22:22 GMT
The best-sounding Blue Note remasters I've heard are the hi-rez downloads. Not because of the bit depth or sampling rate, just because the mastering is great.
I haven't done a shootout though, so take it with a grain of salt.
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Post by graucho on Sept 2, 2018 21:06:05 GMT
Asking some of you more hardcore jazz guys to tell me what STeVE’s problem is with RVG. Everything I own by him I enjoy. Just saw another old thread where STeVE rants about him. So what am I missing? This is what I can gather from the reopened thread Which of the 50s and 60s RVG Blue Note recordings...?
, which I found quite eductational, but which is marred by a Steve Outburst. Hoffa gets knickers in a twist at a poster's suggestion that the original albums were close to what RVG wanted - that is a decent tape to vinyl mastering, given the restrictions of the time (such as the kind of equipment most people would be listening on). The poster points out that the majority of people would not have access to the original master tapes to make a comparison (a kind of extension of how most people are eliminated from the discussion of sound quality if they don't have £00000s worth of gear to hear it on). Steve needs or needed to sustain the illusion of exclusivity in order to keep himself in the game, and to close any discussion. I mean, if only Steve has heard (or claims to have heard) the original master tapes of a recording, then it's a closed argument. It's just like the line 'I was there, were you?' or whatever it was. It's a way of shutting down any discussion that might call into question his claims and his 'authority', and at the same time this feeds into the idea that only Steve, someone who does have access to the tapes, can hear what was originally intended. Put it this way. If the whole forum were able to hear the original master tapes on whatever fucking high end audiophool gear is apparently necessary in order to be able to 'discern', then Steve's devious schtick would never have stuck.
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Post by hugofuguzev on Sept 3, 2018 5:29:48 GMT
RVG - legend, responsible for some of the finest American music ever recorded SH - delusional, insecure, narcissistic master tape thief & former EQ consultant for Blowstein's shady outfit I'd say that pretty much covers it.
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Post by StevesPal on Sept 3, 2018 5:36:57 GMT
RVG engineered, mixed and mastered sessions, both studio and live, as his living for decades — leaving behind an intensely prolific body of work. His working conditions were pragmatic and unidealized — based in the reality of day-to-day work (not fantasy or histrionics). His reputation and legacy is unparalleled.
Regarding RVG's series of digital remasters: their existence does not erase or negate any previous or subsequent masterings — they simply exist. The CDs are an interesting artifact of how the legend interpreted his past work during the digital era.
As for Your Host — well, his reputation speaks for itself.
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Sept 3, 2018 5:44:53 GMT
It's one thing to be critical of somebody's work. I can be critical of a mastering despite not being a mastering engineer, just like I can be critical of food without being a chef. But STeVE is, nominally at least, a mastering engineer, and a shit one. So his opinions are virtually invalidated.
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Post by respiratoryproblems on Sept 6, 2018 15:38:08 GMT
It's one thing to be critical of somebody's work. I can be critical of a mastering despite not being a mastering engineer, just like I can be critical of food without being a chef. But STeVE is, nominally at least, a mastering engineer, and a shit one. So his opinions are virtually invalidated. I'm really curious to know how many of the music-making SHites have approached Steve to master their shitty recordings? And how many times he's agreed and been slid a few bucks on the d/l to do some actual work (but not put his name on it)...?
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Post by bradman on Sept 6, 2018 15:57:11 GMT
I heard he did the new Beagles stuff.
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Post by daved on Sept 6, 2018 16:24:00 GMT
It's one thing to be critical of somebody's work. I can be critical of a mastering despite not being a mastering engineer, just like I can be critical of food without being a chef. But STeVE is, nominally at least, a mastering engineer, and a shit one. So his opinions are virtually invalidated. I'm really curious to know how many of the music-making SHites have approached Steve to master their shitty recordings? And how many times he's agreed and been slid a few bucks on the d/l to do some actual work (but not put his name on it)...? Didn't that Irish windbag get Hoofy to master his stuff? What was the band's name....PigVomit or some shit?
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Post by mintyjackhole on Sept 6, 2018 17:13:50 GMT
Remember when Pug got cool for fifteen minutes and he dished the dirt on Gorting, then he had a new album coming out, so he crawled back to Hoofyland?
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Post by essayceedee on Sept 6, 2018 17:35:48 GMT
I think you're confusing Pug with Pugwash.
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Post by mintyjackhole on Sept 6, 2018 17:51:47 GMT
I think you're confusing Pug with Pugwash. Well now I do feel stupid. Apologies Pug!
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Post by essayceedee on Sept 7, 2018 1:37:57 GMT
I have no desire to listen to anything by PigVomit, but I imagine it all sounds like the Village Green Preservation Society Preservation Society.
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Sept 14, 2018 6:00:35 GMT
I don't believe in any hard n fast rules, but in general, I prefer if the stereo image is narrowed a bit. W I D E S T E R E O works well for outtakes and sessions: it's a certain lack of polish that adds to that raw and live feel. But for a proper, produced, and edited album, things like narrowing the channels a bit are the type of finishing touches that I expect.
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