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Post by blahdiofile on May 9, 2019 2:48:32 GMT
Can’t wait for the Sha-Na-Na threads. If the SHites know Zax’s opinion of their site, they are going to do nothing but bitch about this set. Oh how much better it’d sound with that tubey breath of life.
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Post by Boozin' Susan on May 9, 2019 4:49:50 GMT
Can’t wait for the Sha-Na-Na threads. If the SHites know Zax’s opinion of their site, they are going to do nothing but bitch about this set. Oh how much better it’d sound with that tubey breath of life. But, their bitching is what makes it so much fun. Everyone they complain about is gainfully employed. Their hero hasn’t hasn’t had remasturbated anything for two years now, and who’s “career” is kaput (unless “puttering around” can be now classified as a bona fide profession).
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Post by Brick Wall on May 9, 2019 9:19:50 GMT
Can’t wait for the Sha-Na-Na threads. If the SHites know Zax’s opinion of their site, they are going to do nothing but bitch about this set. Oh how much better it’d sound with that tubey breath of life. But, their bitching is what makes it so much fun. Bingo. SHiTEs never listen *to* anything. They listen *for* issues. Drop-outs, clicks, too loud, too quiet, graphs, charts, DR values. I know we have the thread "Do we even like music?". I say that should be redirected at SHiTEville.
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Post by respiratoryproblems on May 9, 2019 10:01:49 GMT
But, their bitching is what makes it so much fun. Bingo. SHiTEs never listen *to* anything. They listen *for* issues. Drop-outs, clicks, too loud, too quiet, graphs, charts, DR values. I know we have the thread "Do we even like music?". I say that should be redirected at SHiTEville. The litmus test for any SHiTE is simply: does a new remaster sound precisely like it did in their car when they were 18 and about to graduate, at their physical peak, with a world of unlimited possibilities for them to go and explore and great, loyal friends? If the remaster does not evoke this immersive nostalgia, and has some minor adjustment that reminds them that there are fewer days ahead than behind, or that their friends have all done better than they did, and things are diminshing/falling out/falling off, and they're living in their son's spare room, then it's garbage.
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Post by bradman on May 9, 2019 12:45:05 GMT
Well put, sir.
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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Jul 3, 2019 18:00:58 GMT
I wouldn't call Art Garfunkel just a harmony singer. Don't forget Garfunkel sang LEAD vocals on the biggest hit S&G ever had! Or to quote Paul Simon: "I wrote Bridge Over Troubled Waters. Me. All me. Just me. I wrote it. I let Arty sing lead on it. But I wrote it. By myself. He had nothing to do with that. It's my song. Mine. Just mine. And I could have sung it by myself, but I wanted to throw Arty a bone. But it was my bone to throw, because it is my song that I wrote on my own with no help. Thank you." Whatta guy! Such generosity of spirit! :doh: Pretty sure that is made up.
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Post by sparky on Jul 4, 2019 1:15:21 GMT
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Post by audiopro on Jul 16, 2019 17:22:21 GMT
The Nico Frozen Borderline set is one of the greatest things ever. If I were forced to own only ten CDs, that would definitely be one of them. Tape research, track arrangement, sonics, you name it. That's as good as it gets. Now compare that to the pathetic hack job that was Barry Diament's mastering of The Marble Index.... Ed, Chris M has already reposted a few of my earlier comments about the remastering of "Marble Index" and "Desertshore" for "The Frozen Borderline." You're certainly entitled to your opinion about the merits of the various issues of the Nico catalogue over the years, although how you can make judgements about the sound of the master tapes without having ever actually been in a room with them strikes me as bizarre. I've no interest in getting into a lengthy discussion about this, except to say the following: --We remastered "Marble Index" from the original 2-track master, which we continuously A/B'd against a mint, previously unplayed first-pressing copy of the original US Elektra LP. --We painstakingly--and, I believe, successfully--strove to replicate the sound of the vinyl as it was originally cut in 1968. The original Elektra vinyl is a bit brighter-sounding than all subsequent issues on LP or CD. No CD version of "The Marble Index" has replicated the original EQ of the album until now, because no one involved in any previous CD reissue ever bothered to listen to what the original vinyl--the version that Nico, Cale and Frazier Mohawk approved in 1968--sounded like. --Far from "deviat[ing] too wildly" from the "best available source," the new CD in fact replicates that source with _extreme precision_. Isn't that what you supposedly want? How, then, have I failed you? Oh, right: I guess we must have lost "the magic" somewhere. --Without casting aspersions on those who have gone before me, the 1990 Marble Index CD was far less faithful to the source than the 2007 model. The mixing and mastering people involved with that CD--and contrary to what the credits state, Cale was not actually among them--were unfamiliar with the original material* and made the best choices they could with what they had to work from. It's a good sounding CD, and if you like it, that's fine. But you shouldn't let the fact that you like it blind you to the fact that it's a less accurate presentation of the material.
--[*An example: the complete version of "Niebelungen" went unissued in 1990 because the engineer who reviewed it wasn't familiar with Nico's music. He didn't know what a harmonium sounded like and assumed it was a defective recording. I found his notes: "DNU - broken keyboard."]--We used the same modus operandi for "Desertshore"--e.g., original master tape, A/B'd against unplayed first-pressing LP, concerted effort to replicate the original vinyl in the digital realm, etc. I think it blows the 1993 CD away. Again, if you prefer the earlier version, fine. But the 2007 version is as faithful to the source tapes and the original LP as you can get. --I don't mean to sound testy about any of this, but my colleagues and I care very deeply about the work that we do, and are seriously committed to "getting it right." I'm quite aware that every time I go in to remaster a record, I may turn out to be the very last person who ever handles that tape--and that the version of the record I'm putting together will likely be the definitive one for the forseeable future...in the case of some of the more obscure projects I've been involved with, maybe forever. I spent a lot of time obsessing over the sound quality on "Frozen Borderline." I'm sorry you're not as fond of the results as I am (and others seem to be), but I hope you can appreciate where I'm coming from. Best regards, Andy Zax - Andy Zax, 3 August 2007 forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/how-do-i-collect-nico.121744/page-2#post-2769917
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Post by bigmuff on Jul 16, 2019 17:55:10 GMT
I'm trying to imagine what sort of comprehension process (sic) goes through Steve's head when he reads something like that. Closest I can imagine is something to similar to mine when I'm trying to read something in, say, Mandarin.
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Post by FabGear Prophylactic on Jul 16, 2019 19:30:45 GMT
--[*An example: the complete version of "Niebelungen" went unissued in 1990 because the engineer who reviewed it wasn't familiar with Nico's music. He didn't know what a harmonium sounded like and assumed it was a defective recording. I found his notes: "DNU - broken keyboard."]...Best regards, Andy Zax - Andy Zax, 3 August 2007 forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/how-do-i-collect-nico.121744/page-2#post-2769917 Didn't know what a harmonium sounded like?! <insert pounding on table laughing hysterically emoji here> Doesn't Diament push minty power cables, or some other audio-alchemy, as a result of how revered he is in the biz?
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Post by respiratoryproblems on Jul 16, 2019 21:10:46 GMT
The furious back-pedalling of 2007-era SHiTEs after Andy Zax’s post could power a family car for a month.
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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Sept 28, 2020 18:03:05 GMT
Which of the first four Beatles "real" solo albums has aged the best?I am inclined to pick All Things Must Pass for ageless chestnuts like "Thanks for the Pepperoni" and "I Remember Jeep". Most people have forgotten what songs were even on McCartney or the Plastic Ono Band, but no one forgets Pepperoni. Scorsese to do Harrison documentaryOn one of the Scorsese fan sites, someone who is apparently working on the documentary says the probable title is: "Thanks for the Pepperoni: George Harrison in Bites" and that Olivia gave them three reel-to-reels that amount to a continuous 52 minute version of the title song, to which they've been editing. This person also said that because of rights and other issues, the only Capitol/Apple era music they will definitely have access to will be the "jam" album from All Things Must Pass, so they've been trying to make the most of that music in laying out the structure of the film. Picking Sides - George Harrison "All Things Must Pass": My sweet lord, which side is your favorite?I'll be shocked if side six doesn't run away with this, on the basis of Thanks for the Pepperoni. Over the years, that's the song that gets the most consistent praise, and rightly so. George Harrison - The Apple Years Box Set (Pt3)Yeah, the brilliant crescendo of Thanks for the Pepperoni would be hard to follow by anything, but to follow it by the hymm-like Out of the Blue is just crazy. These are five of Harrison's best songs (or, as Harrison put it in 1997: "If I had had a career of putting out albums as good as Apple Jam, I'd still have a real career today...Some songs you just know, and when we were recording the material that became the Apple Jam, we just knew...") Harrison and Spector got this disc exactly right the first time. George Harrison - The Apple Years Box Set (Pt4)Or I Remember Jeep without the electric guitars and organ, so we could really appreciate that song. Solo Beatles songs that would be considered among their best if released by The BeatlesYeah, The Beatles doing Thanks for the Pepperoni would be amazing. George Harrison 2020: Is this going to be the big one?How about the unedited 27 minute version of I Remember Jeep and the 14 minute version of Thanks For The Pepperoni? That would fill out a fourth disc.
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Post by bradman on Oct 2, 2020 0:14:32 GMT
I REMEMBER THE PEPPERONI! AHAHAHAHA
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Oct 2, 2020 13:54:38 GMT
I REMEMBER THE PEPPERONI! AHAHAHAHA You ordered the extra sausage?
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Post by bradman on Oct 2, 2020 14:31:39 GMT
NO BUT YOUR MAMA DID, AHAHAHAHAHAHA
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