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Post by essayceedee on Oct 24, 2018 13:51:07 GMT
As far as I'm concerned Led Zeppelin II isn't anything you'd consider an "audiophile" experience no matter what the pressing or CD. They played so goddamn loud the mikes couldn't handle it. Page and Eddie Kramer used way too much panning and other late 60's recording gimmickry on there as well. I've got a late 70's/early 80's pressing and it's probably the quietest record I own- I really have to crank the fucker up in order to play it. But then I don't think any goddamn record is worth $800. Definitely tape saturation and not mic overload. That's good old Eddie "the genius" Kramer and his shitty engineering. I believe that's the sound of the metal particulate shattering.
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Post by daved on Oct 24, 2018 14:03:02 GMT
Definitely tape saturation and not mic overload. That's good old Eddie "the genius" Kramer and his shitty engineering. I believe that's the sound of the metal particulate shattering. I knew that was coming.
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Post by daved on Oct 24, 2018 14:44:54 GMT
MYKE:
Ain't that rich coming from him.
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Post by aggressivebeta on Oct 24, 2018 15:45:04 GMT
Can’t believe anyone would do that when they can buy the exact same mastering on CD for $10
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Post by aggressivebeta on Oct 24, 2018 15:46:15 GMT
As far as I'm concerned Led Zeppelin II isn't anything you'd consider an "audiophile" experience no matter what the pressing or CD. They played so goddamn loud the mikes couldn't handle it. Page and Eddie Kramer used way too much panning and other late 60's recording gimmickry on there as well. I've got a late 70's/early 80's pressing and it's probably the quietest record I own- I really have to crank the fucker up in order to play it. But then I don't think any goddamn record is worth $800. Definitely tape saturation and not mic overload. That's good old Eddie "the genius" Kramer and his shitty engineering. Never understood why he was considered so great. Electric Ladyland sounds like shit
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Post by daved on Oct 24, 2018 16:04:54 GMT
Definitely tape saturation and not mic overload. That's good old Eddie "the genius" Kramer and his shitty engineering. Never understood why he was considered so great. Electric Ladyland sounds like shit It was more about the records he was part of than him. From what I've read he was a first class tool. Wore a fucking cape.
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Post by hugofuguzev on Oct 25, 2018 5:15:31 GMT
Never understood why he was considered so great. Electric Ladyland sounds like shit It was more about the records he was part of than him. From what I've read he was a first class tool. Wore a fucking cape. Kramer's work just needs a bit of that ol' Breath Of Life, bucko. Kramer and Page definitely got a better sound on Houses Of The Holy than on LZII, that's for sure.
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Oct 25, 2018 5:54:06 GMT
MYKE: Ain't that rich coming from him. He's pretty low on both
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Post by vinylaids on Nov 1, 2018 0:45:33 GMT
Electric Ladyland sounds fucking great, some of you guys sound like my old avatard on Stereo Central with a bunch of geezers passed out listening to Steely Dan.
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Post by daved on Nov 1, 2018 1:30:04 GMT
Electric Ladyland sounds fucking great, some of you guys sound like my old avatard on Stereo Central with a bunch of geezers passed out listening to Steely Dan. Not to get overly SHitey but some tracks on EL sound like they were recorded through Pringle’s cans
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Post by audiobile on Nov 1, 2018 2:55:50 GMT
Well, it was a "difficult" album to record, right? Tons of hangers-on in the studio, the studio brand-new and no doubt still having the technical bugs worked out, loads of dope going around, Noel getting pissed off and leaving, Chas Chandler also getting pissed off and resigning as producer, half-written songs, Jimi floating around more stoned than anybody trying to find his groove and using miles of tape in the process.
As a Hendrix 'tard, I dig this album for what it is. There's lots of great songs, a fair bit of filler, a somehow inconsistent mixing approach and an overall haphazard-sounding production.
It's probably hard for any (re)mastering engineer to make it sound good.
SHite-mode off.
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Post by hugofuguzev on Nov 1, 2018 5:20:45 GMT
Not unlike an album like Exile On Main Street, Electric Ladyland wouldn't be Electric Ladyland if it sounded like fucking Aja. "Produced AND directed by Jimi Hendrix"...that's how Jimi wanted the album to sound, that's all that matters.
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Post by daved on Nov 1, 2018 8:33:12 GMT
Not unlike an album like Exile On Main Street, Electric Ladyland wouldn't be Electric Ladyland if it sounded like fucking Aja. "Produced AND directed by Jimi Hendrix"...that's how Jimi wanted the album to sound, that's all that matters. No doubt. I wouldn’t change a thing. But I also would never say it sounds great.
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Post by hugofuguzev on Nov 1, 2018 10:17:21 GMT
Not unlike an album like Exile On Main Street, Electric Ladyland wouldn't be Electric Ladyland if it sounded like fucking Aja. "Produced AND directed by Jimi Hendrix"...that's how Jimi wanted the album to sound, that's all that matters. No doubt. I wouldn’t change a thing. But I also would never say it sounds great. That's 'cos it doesn't need to sound great. They could have recorded Electric Ladyland using my old Panasonic dictaphone, it'd still be one the greatest fuckin' albums ever made, 'cos of the songs and the playing. "Little Miss Strange" excepted, of course
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Post by audiopro on Nov 1, 2018 13:26:13 GMT
Little Richard made some of the most engaging, exciting music ever recorded. By audiophile standards it all sounds like shit, but I wouldn't want to swap it for something with 30dBs of dynamic range.
Back when he had a job, Hoffman did some first-time stereo mixes of Chuck Berry's Chess material. The mixes are fundamentally decent - sounds like he got an engineer to lace the 3-track up, pushed the faders up and simply dubbed to stereo - but when they first came out they sounded weak and lifeless when heard next to the mono material. There was a book - I think it was "Rock on Compact Disc" - which singled them out, saying that while the remixes were beautifully clean, they sounded as if they had been recorded in an operating theatre. It's interesting to note that every subsequent issue of his remixes I've heard has benefitted from a bit of dynamic compression.
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