Post by Sanjay Gupton on Nov 19, 2019 22:57:54 GMT
When I was a kid I used Prell. I was a swimmer and the primary advantage was a tube lasted a long time, and it fit in my towel. Gym bags back then looked mostly like a wide bowling ball bag from 1956, so my suit, goggles and shampoo fit just fine in a rolled up towel. My hair was super shiny, but it was like straw. Prell was the Lava soap for hair.
This is long but so funny, and Timmy’s final excuse of why people are rude is worth it.
I've wondered at times if I have an incredibly mild case. So does a buddy of mine. But I really don't think either of us are. Our "symptoms" or whatever are so mild it's almost silly.
At some point I have to wonder where the line is between being on the spectrum and just being a human being with flaws, irregularities, and abnormalities as nearly every person does to some extent?
I've thought the same thing about myself. It was mentioned as a possible diagnosis to me back in 2006 when describing my working life dealing with people on the job to a primary care physician who just dropped out of the sky opening his practice in a fitness gym. I blew it off at the time.
I guess we humans only have two choices to explain our social behavior with others, religion which defines it as sin (everyone's a sinner) or medical and cognitive psychology establishment indicating we all have some form of mental illness and/or personality disorder to some degree.
Both come down to just words used to define the unexplainable in order to live a meaningful life.
All Down The Line;
Cannot one live a meaningful life by example? ie: Following your passions/goals that have great importance to oneself.
My thing is that i've never been able to figure out how people manage to interact with others so naturally and with ease. It's hard making small or casual talk. If I talk about something, it has to be a deep, pointed discussion about something meaningful. Anyway, i'm in my mid-50s and it's still a struggle to understand. Being an Aspie, oe whatever we are called DSM-something (I do hate labels) makes me the constant target of ridicule, scorn, and being ostracized because I don't fit in, I don't conform, and especially me because I do not "fit the profile" (most longtimers here know what i'm talking about). It's not easy meeting other Aspies in person.
What if the example and importance according to oneself pisses off a lot of people that's not quite understood by the person leading what they term a meaningful life that may have to be explained with words in a court of law or other venue?
Most folks still have to judge their surroundings according to behavior in others they don't understand or anticipate in how it's going to screw up their lives they think are just as meaningful.
I think it boils down to how self conscious one is about how they're perceived by others. Since most folks including myself don't and shouldn't know what they look like or how they come across to others when they interact with them,one can free up their mind, live in the moment and just enjoy the exchange of differences. If it doesn't work out, don't dwell on it that there's no choices to make a change or improve upon socializing with others. There's 7 billion other people that provide plenty of choices.
I've thought this way once I chose to live alone and not have other people putting alternate thoughts in my head that I have to sort out as my own in order to remind me to stop being so self conscious and aware some folks out of the 20 or so conversations I've had with strangers in my local park just may not like the cut of my jib. It's quite liberating thinking this way.
I remind myself life is too short to be concerned about what other people think of how I come across to them. I'm too busy living and enjoying life with or without people and their irrational judging which I apply myself to others. I'm just mindful of the level of my own irrationality and adjust accordingly. You can't have someone nagging you about it running interference in this line of thinking. That's the real problem. That's why I stay away from therapists and others who think they know my own mind better than myself because they've been trained at some institution where I wasn't present to observe their learning process.
That's all fine and good, unless you find yourself in some sort of managerial position as I did in my 30s. That really was the catalyst for my personal growth. Realizing that not everybody perceives and processes the world the same way I do. Until I started coming to grips with that, I was unable to lead people who didn't fit my exact MBTI, which incidentally is one of the rarer ones. Everyone's default way of interfacing with the world is the way that is native to them. It's a whole other brave new world when you start appreciating differences in others and try to see the world through their eyes. It's opened my eyes and enlarged my heart. I think the "this is the ABCs of me, like it or lump it" attitude is quite destructive, unless one wants to live a hermetic existence.
No therapist would assume they know your mind better than you. What they will do is try to understand your thought process and help you work through issues that are problematic for you. That said, if you’re happy with yourself and your life, there’s no reason to seek out outside sources for support. It sounds like you’ve got it worked out pretty well for yourself.
I don't want to be an example to anyone. That is just too much of a burden. I just want to be myself. If I do something people perceive is wrong, or I don't live up to someone else's standard, I don't want to be someone's example.
Clearly you didn't see through my eyes in your response to my point of view outlined in my comment or else you wouldn't have argued what I described about how I deal with people as destructive and only working with someone who wants to live a hermetic existence. You didn't add anything new to the conversation other than pointing out the obvious in order to be heard as an authority on how you miraculously learned to manage people on the job. You couldn't tell from the way I wrote my comment to base your argument on that I might have already known that about managing people on the job? Do you really now know how to read people? I'm not convinced.
So to keep your managerial job you all of sudden saw through the eyes of others? That's not growing. That's an attempt at keeping your job. Two completely different incentives, one of which isn't really selfless.
Not really my point concerning therapists. I was referring to the culture of "Authoritativeness" that impresses upon those seeking help to not question their motives or process and just accept they know how to help someone with something as complex as dealing with all sorts of people and social situations in a one hour session.
I've been to two therapists, both fresh out of their institutions of study and apparently not all want to help in the same way. There's no consistency from my experience and I could detect just from their personality and eye contact that they don't have time in a one hour session to take questions or listen to all the details of how one's life unfolded that made them feel like they needed the services of a therapist.
I guess there are better therapists than others.
All Down The Line:
Well your own following post to the above seems to partly answer your own questions. If you could give more specifics it would be easier for me to attempt to do so as well.
Concerning management of Autistic Spectrum personnel on the job, what would be more difficult to manage in regard to the subject of empathy. A sociopath manager dealing with a staff of Autistic co-workers or an Autistic manager dealing with a staff of sociopaths?
What are the differences in how they approach, define and implement empathy?
The same can be said of sociopaths. How can one tell them apart?
To heck with it. Just understand, forgive and give both a wide berth. They're people and should be given the same consideration as a domesticated animal which society takes better care of and we know animals don't know what they are and how their behavior affects others.
All Down The Line:
I thought sociopaths were highly manipulative?
The differences between spotting a sociopath from an Autistic person was in reference to their inability to feel and show empathy. But you do raise another complicated aspect in that some sociopaths can fake empathy as a form of manipulation but that involves more time spent to see if the empathy gets put into action.
Autistic people I've nderstood are not able to manipulate their outward emotion to get what they want or even show that they want something but still it brings up a gray area in telling the differences in social settings of short duration where there isn't enough time to check either way.
Yeah, I guess, I dunno. I’m in the New Braunfels area. Want to meet up and debate it in person?
What's brought you to this area? That's a long trip from Dallas.
Frankly, I've been contributing to online discussions in many different forums covering a wide range of topics since around 2000 and have never had anyone interested in meeting me in person, so I'm having to figure whether you're serious or just pulling my chain. Either way I'm not interested.
And I wasn't debating your point, just adding a light quip on your assumption of which CEO's have Autism but not name any CEO's as sociopaths. Just trying to make this an interesting discussion but now figure it might not be possible considering no one's really venting their issues with specific "real" situations. Most comments are general descriptions of how Autism is defined and how people are perceived as such.
Maybe I'll have better luck finding a "Blind people Vent here, we'll support you" thread, but I don't have a Braille translator.
...Outing myself time --- I am diagnosed AS)was diagnosed Asperger's back when that was still a separate diagnosis (If somebody else hasn't explained that perhaps overly technical/historical reference, maybe they csn:confused:??). I'd never heard of the concept til' this century (Foo! 1506 nix nix, even! There isn't any " bearded old codger " emoji here!).:sigh:
...Immediate thought (upon scanning the above page) - I may regret writing the above:rolleyes:. Well, if I'm not here much longer, I wasn't really looking to ad md to my sealed longboxes of Derek and the Dominos and Henry Lee Summer anyway:laugh:! Yeah yeah yeah.
I've looked at your previous posting activity and see a consistency of short sentences that don't seem to connect into one coherent point?
Is this a result of your spectrum? Or is it caused by something else?
Timmy: (Gntar likes this)
You don't see the Godshifter quote that refers to who I was talking to? You may have Godshifter on Ignore. Don't know, but I wasn't making my comments toward you.
Thank you kindly. No, I admit I haven't read through this so unaware of the Godshifter quote.
Yes, you are right on the Ignore function!
I’ve been in and around the area of San Marcos /New Braunfels/San Antonio for close to five years since my estranged wife took my kids there. That’s what brought me to your neck of the woods. I lived in New Braunfels for two years. My brother has been in the area for over thirty.
You don’t want to meet up? LOL! Fine. You always have the option, though.
Funny so many people like [USER=66970]@hollow Horse[/USER] have me on ignore. I mean, I know I’m annoying sometimes, but wow. There are some real cream puffs on here ... (not pointing fingers).
[USER=89967]@tim Lookingbill[/USER] - if you ever change your mind, Huisache Grill for a beer?
...I suppose I read enough Mad and National Lampoon...and Thurber and Benchley and these 30th Century residents of the 817 Dewey Decimal classificstion:confused:? - that I mebbe have " more humor)irony sensitivity that the average Aspie bear ':goodie: - or maybe it's that goldanged Irony Epidemic:laughup:!!!!!!!!!!!
...I've never had any extended face to face contact with ANYONE whom I know to be AS (there's been a pretty good friendship with someone two states away I have never met):cry:. Never:shake:. I am, of course, old enough that I was never on a ' track " for people who have it (The concept was only introduced to the English-speaking eorld:nauga: in the late 70s when the Germsn-language pieces by Dr. Hans Asperger from whence the concept, etc. - gota translation). A couple times I've tried upport-getogrtherdgroups - It had tended to not even take off enough to say " There were problems ':shake:. Economic ones, one:cry:.
So you weren't pulling my chain. Thanks for clarifying. Mmh...Huisache Grill for a beer, ya' say?
Don't take this personal (but from your grounded responses here I don't think you will), I'm in a time of my life where physically meeting new people isn't a great desire or motivation. After 12 years I'm now noticing being alone is not all that bad of an experience compared to the hassle of what I had to do for the sake of social propriety making new friends in my previous 50 years.
I mean several days ago I just walked away from taking the next steps socially to convince a beautiful 30 year old German gal in Walmart to go out with me, so meeting up in an upscale restaurant with some guy I don't know who posts anonymously in a forum is not something I'm motivated to do.
But thanks for the offer and trust that I'ld be someone you'ld risk meeting up with.
I find most folks are downright terrible at determining apathy in another person without really taking a very long time to get to know them first.
Now that I've been made aware of those of Autism Spectrum I'm now adjusting my judging the odd behavior in strangers I meet up with in my local park which is the only place I've encountered and had more long, meaningful conversations with in the past 12 years than I did in my past 50 years working for a living. I don't attend groups or church socials or even go to church.
About two weeks ago a teen girl alone in my local park struck up a conversation after noticing my petting a tame deer. She said that I wasn't suppose to touch the wildlife and started the equivalent of reading me the riot act as if she was an authority figure on all sorts of subjects regarding the US Fish & Wildlife laws. After I started filling in a lot of the facts she was leaving out of her points, she soon lost interest in talking to me and just turned and slowly walked away without saying a word. That's when I yelled out "BYE!" and she said bye back without turning to me.
That's when I said to myself..."Probably on the Autism Spectrum". I found it to be a new way to excuse her behavior, behavior I never saw from the 20 or so other strangers I've talked to in my local park petting the same deer. If I hadn't known about Autism Spectrum I probably would've judged her as just another "Know It All Little Bitch".
I know this was super long but the entire exchange was just typical Hoofyville Follies. From WLL showing up to trGna piping in and TYM’s assumption someone is autistic because she was disgusted by his finger of a deer it was all too good not to share!
Post by aquaholic2017 on Dec 14, 2019 13:53:53 GMT
Saw "Dark Waters" movie last night at my local cinema. Thought it was more informative than entertaining, but the information turned it more into a horror movie. Not very festive for the holidays to say the least seeing it states according to blood draws 99% of all the humans on the planet have now been exposed to the DuPont toxin PFOA used in the process of making Teflon and other products we use made by the company. The history on this chemical is outlined in detail that disturbingly points out what Dupont and the government did in not letting folks in the Dupont West Virginia manufacturing plant know about this toxin.
What I've been trying to find out is just how much is too much PFOA in the blood and the effects to look for. NIH addresses this chemical but it's quite dense so I just gave up the search and the read.
I did check online and found the movie is quite factual except for some interpretations for dramatic purposes.
It's a good movie similar to "Erin Brockovich" only not as entertaining in my opinion. I urge you to see this movie, REALLY! It's scary!
Thoughts and opinions welcomed and any additional info on PFOA that's understandable and not a long read would be appreciated.
Called John Kricfalusi after flipping out on his amazing Ren and Stimpy pilot I saw in an animation festival in Austin TX. He asked me to send a letter to Nickelodeon head of purchasing in exchange for him sending me a VHS tape of the pilot since I didn't have cable at the time. I wrote the letter and the rest is history...
Post by aquaholic2017 on Dec 28, 2019 20:53:17 GMT
New local park ordinances created to preserve the natural native surroundings and wildlife that were never needed for decades and now take away the public's rights to enjoy the park's primitive aspects by preventing swimming in the clear spring rivers while they lay down swaths of concrete to put up children playscapes and walking paths. News flash! City Council!...
Our parks are no longer a nature preserve!
And if the city now has so much money to spend on needless and over reaching development of this sort from increased tax revenue, they should seriously start building affordable housing and upgrade aging infrastructure.
Post by aquaholic2017 on Dec 29, 2019 23:33:17 GMT
Just experienced similar profiling only in a local Cajun restaurant that caters to high end clientele where I showed up wearing a T-shirt with "Toadies" (irish band?) on the front. I don't know why I got stares from the other customers half of which were hunters wearing camouflage outfits. I never saw so many waiters individually checking on me as I ate my $18 Grilled Shrimp with dirty rice order which I had to ask for more dirty rice because they skimped on the original portion.
They seemed to relax when I showed them my credit card and left a $4 tip cash. Not sure which of the 5 different waiters that were checking on me got the tip. What's up with "Toadies"? Does this word mean something different to other people?
Same here, I've never been stopped, the employees know me and I do know most of the employees. I maintain a level of transparency and would really doubt that they could ever have a reason to stop me.
It's a new face at the door almost every visit for me so I don't know but one and he's moonlighting at Walmart as his real job is as a constable for our local town's District Attorney. Now this dude is one hell of a character who I just love hanging around and chatting with. The darkest skin African American I've ever met but talks with a thick Texas drawl. I can't make this up! The guy's personality shines!