Concerns regarding Generation Z in America
Apr 21, 2019 15:16:30 GMT
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Concerns regarding Generation Z in America
The main thing that has drawn my attention to this topic is having recently heard from two college instructors who, because of their frustration with students now entering college years (Gen Z students), they have become wary of staying in teaching and are leaving the profession in pursuit of other careers. A third that I know is contemplating doing the same. In the past, several years of my work was based in colleges and I believe I have a good idea of what an excellent and well qualified instructor is like and I can say with confidence, all three of these people are excellent teachers who went into the profession because they believed that kind of work was valuable, and at one time they like working with young adults. Also, these teacher range in age from early 30's to late 60's, one is male, two are female (i.e. they are not just "grumpy old men".) The schools they work for, as well as the students, will be worse off for the loss of their contributions.
The issue these instructors have with this generation as a whole is that they lack focus, they are prone to frequent complaining and making demands on their instructors more so than showing a willingness to receive instruction and give respect to their teachers, they are often described as expecting good grades for minimal work and their performance as a whole is becoming less proficient. They are also often described as generally having a worse attitude toward their instructors than their previous millennial and Gen X students.
So I'm curious about a number of things here:
-What is the perception of others here who have worked with kids in Gen Z or have their own Gen Z kids?
-Assuming these observations are legitimate and widespread here in America, what are you thoughts for helping move these young people in a more positive direction.
-If there are any Gen Z members here, what are your thoughts on all this?
-What about those of you who are not Americans? Is this an issue in your country?
The generation in question has been led down a path that includes purposeful "learning" methods that are not based in how to think as much as what to think.
For instance school testing. These students were given tests that had a open mindset towards the final grade.
The school curriculum is based on teaching the test rather than teaching the concepts.
Take the test and do poorly...you have more chances to take that test until your grade is better.
This group of people have been treated with ULTRA sensitivity toward everything all the time, everywhere.
They are not allowed to fail in many areas of life.
They are falsely propped up and told they are much better than they actually are.
They are given opportunities to "participate" when really they have no place being in that group in the first place.
There are many other things that fall too far into the "close thread" arena to discuss here but they certainly have an impact.
This new general mindset seems to be producing unqualified, intolerant, unable to cope with life individuals.
With that said I also know quite a few polite, capable, intelligent, motivated people in the 15 - 25 year old range.
The part I find very interesting about these more capable people is their recognition of, and avoidance to, those who fall into the lesser categories. They just don't care to participate in that kind of BS.
My wife is in a position to mentor students in the field while they are completing the final requirements of schooling or the beginning requirements of getting licensed. She has done this with about three students per year for the last few decades.
In the last five or so years she has had a regular complaint concerning the entitlement mentality of the new interns, the lack of general respect for pretty much anyone but themselves, and the general lack of motivation toward getting further along in their field of study...all while being hyper sensitive to being offended and willing to make demands they have not earned.
I think some of this is general perspective.
I think some of this is due to a larger population...just more turds because there is more everything.
I think life at this time is too easy...now wrong easy, just easy. Everything seems there for the taking. Risks seem pretty low while opportunities seem very high...I mean my eye sight can be laser repaired, in an afternoon, if I so choose!!!! That is awesome and it is also easy.
The world is changing. Technology is moving us away from the "old ways" and into uncharted territory. Privacy is gone, and methods of information are fraught with lies and misinformation while also being almost immediate...The whole world watched Notre Dame burn as it was happening, while commenting however they felt with whatever they felt like saying. New territory for sure and we have to learn how to navigate.
Generation Z is different. Generation Z has bad players, as well as good players, but most are somewhere in the middle.
Generation Z does not look like, act like, or react like my generation did but then again most of my generations things are gone. Traded in for the newer stuff Generation Z takes for granted because it is simply their normal.
Only time will tell how they fare. I just hope they do not dismantle that which is really great in the process.
Hers my take: kids are stupid.
Some years back, I worked in a Further Education college. A lot of the students seemed to lack motivation and I soon learned that many were there due to government pressure to massage unemployment statistics - ie, they were shoved into college, so they wouldn't register as NEET ('Not in education, employment or training').
One day, I overheard a colleague who taught in the Music & Technology department describing a conversation he'd had with an unmotivated student, who was not doing any work.
Colleague: Can I ask you where you want to be in five years' time?
Student (confidently): In five years' time, I'll be headlining at the 02.
Colleague (somewhat taken aback): OK. That's great. I hope you will be. But can I ask you how to propose to get to that state? What steps are you going to take to make sure it happens?
Student: Oh, I'm going to be come famous.
Colleague: How are you going to be come famous?
Student: I don't know. I just will.
I'm sure there are cultural/sociological reasons for this way of thinking.
Brian Lux said:
First off, let me say that this IS NOT a diatribe against Generation Z . When I say "concern" I mean concern for the well being of members of that generation as well as the impact that generation will have on their world in coming years. (And please, it would be helpful if we can we avoid baseless bashing of this generation and, as always, keep politics and religion out of the discussion.)The main thing that has drawn my attention to this topic is having recently heard from two college instructors who, because of their frustration with students now entering college years (Gen Z students), they have become wary of staying in teaching and are leaving the profession in pursuit of other careers. A third that I know is contemplating doing the same. In the past, several years of my work was based in colleges and I believe I have a good idea of what an excellent and well qualified instructor is like and I can say with confidence, all three of these people are excellent teachers who went into the profession because they believed that kind of work was valuable, and at one time they like working with young adults. Also, these teacher range in age from early 30's to late 60's, one is male, two are female (i.e. they are not just "grumpy old men".) The schools they work for, as well as the students, will be worse off for the loss of their contributions.
The issue these instructors have with this generation as a whole is that they lack focus, they are prone to frequent complaining and making demands on their instructors more so than showing a willingness to receive instruction and give respect to their teachers, they are often described as expecting good grades for minimal work and their performance as a whole is becoming less proficient. They are also often described as generally having a worse attitude toward their instructors than their previous millennial and Gen X students.
So I'm curious about a number of things here:
-What is the perception of others here who have worked with kids in Gen Z or have their own Gen Z kids?
-Assuming these observations are legitimate and widespread here in America, what are you thoughts for helping move these young people in a more positive direction.
-If there are any Gen Z members here, what are your thoughts on all this?
-What about those of you who are not Americans? Is this an issue in your country?
cleandan said:
I deal with many different age groups and abilities. While I am not much for generational labels, "Baby Boomers", "Generation X", Generation Z" and so on I do understand.The generation in question has been led down a path that includes purposeful "learning" methods that are not based in how to think as much as what to think.
For instance school testing. These students were given tests that had a open mindset towards the final grade.
The school curriculum is based on teaching the test rather than teaching the concepts.
Take the test and do poorly...you have more chances to take that test until your grade is better.
This group of people have been treated with ULTRA sensitivity toward everything all the time, everywhere.
They are not allowed to fail in many areas of life.
They are falsely propped up and told they are much better than they actually are.
They are given opportunities to "participate" when really they have no place being in that group in the first place.
There are many other things that fall too far into the "close thread" arena to discuss here but they certainly have an impact.
This new general mindset seems to be producing unqualified, intolerant, unable to cope with life individuals.
With that said I also know quite a few polite, capable, intelligent, motivated people in the 15 - 25 year old range.
The part I find very interesting about these more capable people is their recognition of, and avoidance to, those who fall into the lesser categories. They just don't care to participate in that kind of BS.
My wife is in a position to mentor students in the field while they are completing the final requirements of schooling or the beginning requirements of getting licensed. She has done this with about three students per year for the last few decades.
In the last five or so years she has had a regular complaint concerning the entitlement mentality of the new interns, the lack of general respect for pretty much anyone but themselves, and the general lack of motivation toward getting further along in their field of study...all while being hyper sensitive to being offended and willing to make demands they have not earned.
I think some of this is general perspective.
I think some of this is due to a larger population...just more turds because there is more everything.
I think life at this time is too easy...now wrong easy, just easy. Everything seems there for the taking. Risks seem pretty low while opportunities seem very high...I mean my eye sight can be laser repaired, in an afternoon, if I so choose!!!! That is awesome and it is also easy.
The world is changing. Technology is moving us away from the "old ways" and into uncharted territory. Privacy is gone, and methods of information are fraught with lies and misinformation while also being almost immediate...The whole world watched Notre Dame burn as it was happening, while commenting however they felt with whatever they felt like saying. New territory for sure and we have to learn how to navigate.
Generation Z is different. Generation Z has bad players, as well as good players, but most are somewhere in the middle.
Generation Z does not look like, act like, or react like my generation did but then again most of my generations things are gone. Traded in for the newer stuff Generation Z takes for granted because it is simply their normal.
Only time will tell how they fare. I just hope they do not dismantle that which is really great in the process.
Ghostworld said:
What’s generation z?Hers my take: kids are stupid.
Wally Swift said:
Question to those that have experienced positive qualities in Gen. Z: what percentage of this segment have been home schooled?Wally Swift said:
Parents with the sense, inspiration and motivation to home school usually have attitudes conducive to forming good citizens. For one thing they more often than not understand the difference between teaching children how to critically think rather than to memorize and repeat. The latter usually being the reason that they choose home schooling to begin with.Grant said:
Most home-schoolers I know do it because they want to enforce their own twisted values onto their kids, usually religious ones.Siegmund said:
Not sure whether I've told this story on here before, and apologies if I have....Some years back, I worked in a Further Education college. A lot of the students seemed to lack motivation and I soon learned that many were there due to government pressure to massage unemployment statistics - ie, they were shoved into college, so they wouldn't register as NEET ('Not in education, employment or training').
One day, I overheard a colleague who taught in the Music & Technology department describing a conversation he'd had with an unmotivated student, who was not doing any work.
Colleague: Can I ask you where you want to be in five years' time?
Student (confidently): In five years' time, I'll be headlining at the 02.
Colleague (somewhat taken aback): OK. That's great. I hope you will be. But can I ask you how to propose to get to that state? What steps are you going to take to make sure it happens?
Student: Oh, I'm going to be come famous.
Colleague: How are you going to be come famous?
Student: I don't know. I just will.
I'm sure there are cultural/sociological reasons for this way of thinking.