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Post by mintyjackhole on May 1, 2019 19:49:01 GMT
You can fill out a whole fucking SHite bingo card with Karl Farbman's response to the idea that "Blowing In The Wind", "Ohio", and "Imagine" are not as relevant now as they were fifty years ago. Fucking Millennials don't know shit about good music, and yet they love this important Boomer drivel.
Farbman's blows his load thusly:
"I'm not obsessed about this at all, someone made a ludicrous statement and I challenged him to educate me. Its not something I "think", they ARE culturally significant, legendary and iconic. Its a fact, deal with it. I would say get out of the house more if you and your neighbors don't understand that. Dylan is the Shakespeare of the 20th century and still amazingly prolific, popular and well known even into his 70s, and has been culturally relevant for 60 years. I've been to over 20 Dylan concerts since the late 90s, and those shows are not just filled with old hippies and baby boomers, Dylan attracts a whole wide demographic swath, I see hundreds and hundreds of 20 and 30 somethings at his shows over the years. So yes, Dylan is absolutely still culturally significant, and the fact that you are missing the boat means YOU are out of touch, and the world has passed YOU by. I don't know how old you are, but name one musical artist that has come up in the last 20 years that will be as culturally significant and widely impactful and relevant over the next 40-60 years as Dylan. Who is the Dylan of the 21st century? Where are the Beatles of the 21st century? You won't be able to name them because there isn't any. Music now is fractionalized and marginalized and the quality stuff is overwhelmed and drowned out by trite irrelevant and lame crapola. The under 40 crowd by and large doesn't understand or value ALBUMS, they download songs, many not even paying for it. The political apathy amongst the under 40 crowds is frightening.
Songs like Imagine and Blowin in the Wind are covered by numerous young artists who DO get it, so your scoffing at those iconic tunes which EVERYONE with a clue knows (I guess with the exception of the Ohio backwoods) is amusing. And I'm still waiting for someone to name 5 hip hop political protest tunes written in the last 20 years that will be as iconic and culturally significant 50 years from now as Ohio, Blowin in the Wind and Imagine (which are just a few of the dozens and dozens I could name)."
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Post by bradman on May 1, 2019 19:59:44 GMT
He sure ejaculated a mouthful.
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Post by essayceedee on May 1, 2019 20:16:12 GMT
That's a warm creamy pudding that tastes like bullshit.
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Post by hoffa_nagila on May 1, 2019 20:56:39 GMT
A Hard Day's Night holds up beautifully, but the rest of their movies are pure shit. l laughed just once during Help (the bathroom scene which is some good slapstick.) A Hard Day's Night was the perfect antithesis to all the stupid movies that featured rock groups or pop stars. Help on the other hand was just that. Brilliantly filmed, however, which is worth noting purely for the music sequences. And, of course, unlike Hard Day's Night, the music sequences don't necessarily make much sense otherwise in the plot.
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Post by Boozin' Susan on May 1, 2019 21:38:35 GMT
Sorry, boys...
Yellow Submarine is a wonderful film.
The character design for the different blue meanies is inspired, it features various type of unique animation throughout, and it has a fantastic soundtrack.
And making the main villain a mincing, effeminate-sounding badass was pure genius.
Much of the Beatles film oeuvre is absolute shit.
Yellow Submarine is definitely not.
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Post by hoffa_nagila on May 1, 2019 21:50:51 GMT
Sorry, boys... Yellow Submarine is a wonderful film. The character design for the different blue meanies is inspired, it features various type of unique animation throughout, and it has a fantastic soundtrack. And making the main villain a mincing, effeminate-sounding badass was pure genius. Much of the Beatles film oeuvre is absolute shit. Yellow Submarine is definitely not. A lot of villains, especially in Disney, are queer-coded. It's an interesting (if not perhaps troubling) trope.
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Post by Boozin' Susan on May 1, 2019 22:10:51 GMT
Sorry, boys... Yellow Submarine is a wonderful film. The character design for the different blue meanies is inspired, it features various type of unique animation throughout, and it has a fantastic soundtrack. And making the main villain a mincing, effeminate-sounding badass was pure genius. Much of the Beatles film oeuvre is absolute shit. Yellow Submarine is definitely not. A lot of villains, especially in Disney, are queer-coded. It's an interesting (if not perhaps troubling) trope. I’ve never noticed that before, as I’m not very well-versed in Disney films. I just love the Chief Blue Meanie. Instead of going with an evil-sounding Bond-like nemesis, the producers of YS went in the opposite direction. (If I missed something that others find offensive, that wasn’t my intention. I’m not a film scholar, so tropes like “queer coding” (and words like “trope”) are things I never really think of when watching movies.)
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Post by hoffa_nagila on May 1, 2019 22:37:50 GMT
A lot of villains, especially in Disney, are queer-coded. It's an interesting (if not perhaps troubling) trope. I’ve never noticed that before, as I’m not very well-versed in Disney films. I just love the Chief Blue Meanie. Instead of going with an evil-sounding Bond-like nemesis, the producers of YS went in the opposite direction. (If I missed something that others find offensive, that wasn’t my intention. I’m not a film scholar, so tropes like “queer coding” (and words like “trope”) are things I never really think of when watching movies.) I'm sure you can find someone who is offended by it, but that's besides the point. Scar and Jafar (from the Lion King and Aladdin, respectively) are two of my favorite Disney villains, and they are queer as a three dollar bill. There are unfortunate results of this trope (over-simplified, gay=bad guy) but it can just as easily lead to a good subversion of the theme.
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Post by Felonious Spunk on May 1, 2019 22:56:22 GMT
Dylan is the Shakespeare of the 20th century, man! Popular and well known even into his 70s, man! And has been culturally relevant for 60 years, man! I've been to over 20 Dylan concerts since the late 90s, man! And those shows are not just filled with old hippies and baby boomers, man! Dylan attracts a whole wide demographic swath, man! So yes, Dylan is absolutely still culturally significant, man! And the fact that you are missing the boat means YOU are out of touch, and the world has passed YOU by, Mr. Jones Man!TURN IT UP MAN!
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Post by bradman on May 2, 2019 0:34:38 GMT
Is that Freedom Rock?
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Post by Chicken in Black on May 2, 2019 10:00:12 GMT
Ursula from The Little Mermaid is based on Divine. LeFou from Beauty and the Beast is infatuated with the hyper masculine Gaston, a point they made explicit in the live action remake. And all these movies from the 90s had major input from Howard Ashman, who was then dying of AIDS.
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Post by aggressivebeta on May 3, 2019 16:51:36 GMT
I just don’t get why these guys care so much about what music other people listen to. dont they have anything else in their lives to worry about? Talk about first world problems.
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Post by respiratoryproblems on May 3, 2019 17:19:56 GMT
I just don’t get why these guys care so much about what music other people listen to. dont they have anything else in their lives to worry about? Talk about first world problems. They've seen the kids these days with this hippin' and hoppin', their metrosexual different-coloured hair, their tattoos, their racial integration, and their rude insistence on believing that those girls were not actually asking for it when Bill Cosby and Jimmy Saville took advantage of them. That makes them limp-wristed beatniks and who can tell whether they're boys or girls any more? But to the average SHiTE, the line was crossed when these antifa-loving pantywaists refused to validate the only relevant artform; the long-playing vinyl album. That makes them the scum of the earth.
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Post by Boozin' Susan on May 3, 2019 19:15:12 GMT
Most modern music fans don't even know what an ALBUM is...and I don't mean record album. They know "songs". They could give two craps about Tommy or The Yes Album or The River, etc... Jerkstar74 is wrong. I’m a (technically) a boomer, yet couldn’t give even one crap for Tommy, The Yes Album, or The River. Don’t know any of the “songs” on the latter two. And wish I didn’t know any from the former... Maybe if Jerkstar 74 listed a few ALBUMS that were released this century, he might find a few modern music fans who knew what they were.
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Post by Sanjay Gupton on May 7, 2019 2:18:58 GMT
I'm with you, Sooze. I get that there's no new Dylan, or Beatles, or Stones. How can there be with music so splintered and so many choices of entertainment these days? The SHiTe's talk like the only good music that ever happened was what they were essentially force fed by major record labels. I hate that somehow I got lumped into the Boomer generation. My generation was one of the first ones that didn't get drafted, and when I talk with my family that's just a few years older than me, they struggle with technology, where I make a living in it, they still want to listen to music I thought was old when I was a kid, they think memes about their parents beating their asses when they were kids are funny and relevant, and they totally don't understand both parents working and coming home to empty houses and pretty much answering to no one when they were growing up.
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