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Post by daved on Sept 29, 2019 13:41:38 GMT
Downloaded this last night (flac). fuck me,this an underwhelming boxset. It is, of the 3 so far. The original sounded fine and there isn’t much intriguing as far as outtakes.
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Post by sₚⲁᵣₖydₒg on Sept 29, 2019 14:05:08 GMT
I think I'm going to be banned from STeVE's Facebook page in a few minutes. Link to Hoofy's facebook page, please. Too late, Sadly, I've been blocked from it.
Maybe it's because I called TigerTEAC a little twat there?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 14:08:36 GMT
I looked up STeVE’s Fb page and the bitterness really shines through. The fact that STeVe doesn’t like it makes me enjoy it that much more. Bingo. The only reason I specifically scan threads about Beatles remasters/remixes is in hopes of catching Hooofman's inevitable bottomless pit of envy and frustration. I do have the original 1987 CeeDess and can't be arsed to "upgrade" to anything else, since the last time I listened to a Beatles album was decades ago. But secure in the knowledge that Steve Hoffman will never, ever get within 3000 miles of anything resembling a Beatles project - and knowing how badly he really wants it - the asshole's reaction to every new Beatles release gives me this huge and admittedly cheap thrill. One of the things that I notice about Hoffman and all of his followers is the ignorance they play about people in the Beatles camp. It comes as no surprise very, very few outsiders are allowed in so why should they be surprised that their producer’s son is the one working these? They will never be happy about anything, and suck the fun and joy out of everything, until STeVE tells them to be happy. Talk about the definition of followers and unable to think for oneself. Has STeVE ever claimed that he had held the original Beatle tapes?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 14:14:15 GMT
And why isn’t STeVE voicing his opinion on his own forum? The people paid for it, they should be able to read what their leader thinks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 14:16:32 GMT
Link to Hoofy's facebook page, please. Too late, Sadly, I've been blocked from it.
Maybe it's because I called TigerTEAC a little twat there?
Apparently STeVE can’t handle the truth. I am still not 100% convinced this isn’t some kind of sick adult pretending to be a kid. When I was 13/14 I played sports, listened to music, spent as much time as I could with my friends and chased girls.
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Post by mintybaldwin on Sept 29, 2019 16:11:44 GMT
On the other hand, brainwashed insists that it sounds just fine and receives the smackdown:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 16:51:00 GMT
On the other hand, brainwashed insists that it sounds just fine and receives the smackdown:
Do these people just look for anything and everything wrong (or what they view as wrong) just to bitch?
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Post by mintyjackhole on Sept 29, 2019 17:06:30 GMT
Since they are chasing the dragon of that feeling they had when they were young and felt they had so much potential, and The Beatles or whoever the fuck made them feel cool in the way music makes you feel cool when you are young... and no Beatles remix or demo will ever give them that feeling, they will always be disappointed. They want the music of their youth to sound both familiar and new. But anything new reminds them that time is fleeting and it makes them mad. Now excuse me while I go elsewhere to bitch about the sound quality on the new Replacements boxset.
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Post by braindead on Sept 29, 2019 17:11:11 GMT
I'm waiting to find faults with the "Monster" boxset. Will I fuck. Looking forward to buying it.
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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Sept 29, 2019 17:25:53 GMT
The deluxe book is very nice, but somewhat inexplicably, on the first page it says “THE ABBEY ROAD.” In really big letters. Is this like a “The Pink Floyd” kind of situation? Am I missing something here? “THE ABBEY ROAD.” Hate that typo thing. No doubt it’ll be corrected next pressing. Has someone mentioned "The Abbey Road" thing in the book? WTH? Mine just arrived. Quite shocked to find that the official "Goodbye" demo was taken from a lossy MP3 bootleg source and not even from the best available transfer. It is removed from the acetate by at least one tape generation with wobbly azimuth. The real sad thing is that a pristine rip, directly from the acetate, circulates widely among collectors (YD Acetates & MasterJedi Last Lacquers collection)... Says who? I don't trust amateurs with freeware. Re: Goodbye: I'm quite shocked there isn't a tape in McCartney's vault of this recording, let alone whether a lossy bootleg has been used. Quite shocked that a 50 year old reel is missing, lost, or long ago taped over? Really? Ron PS That being said, there's no excuse EVER for using a lossy mp3 for a major release, IF, that is indeed the case. I have several clean versions from the actual acetate, as issued on bootleg. It's not THAT hard to find WAV files of these. Some with NR, some without. Also, it's one person's opinion that the file is lossy mp3. Ron You'll have to trust me if you can't tell yourself. Lossy encoding leaves a very obvious "fingerprint" in the audio spectrum, because it throws away certain frequencies that it deems are not required. The so called spectral "bins" (think computer pixels, but instead of width and height the domains are time and frequency) are cut off at some frequency, with gaps below and some remaining outliers above. And this is exactly what you see in the spectrogram below: In the original lossy file the discarded bins would have been black - they are darker green here because of added dithering noise. For those wondering, no it is not an artifact of noise reduction or equalization or whatever. Those look different but explaining those differences is outside the scope of this post & thread. Explain HOW a spectrogram shows this to be a lossy file. Many are asking for some sort of definitive proof. As I said, IF a lossy mp3 was used on this release it would be unforgivable. It's not like this is a previously unheard recording. MOST Beatles fans have heard it. It's been "out" for more than 30 years. Quality has always been in the very good to excellent range. This ain't Step Inside Love lore. Ron I see your graph in the post before mine... not sure why the cutoff you mentioned casn't be the source acetate itself. Wouldn't the acetate by its very nature have peaks shaved? The only way to prove your opinion is to post a lossless file of the booted source and compare and contrast. I just emailed Giles and asked him specifically the source for Goodbye and what type digital extraction was made. I believe he's an honorable chap. If and when he responds I'll post his reply. Ron Giles has a public email? So your emailing him how? I have his personal address because I've worked with some of his associates on other projects. We are NOT personal friends. Alright. Here is a comparison of three sources for the "Goodbye" demo with annotations and explanations of the artifacts that creep in with each successive version. I have aligned the tracks and matched levels so that it is easy to compare them. 1) MJ - Last Lacquers / YellowDog Acetates: Not modified, directly from the source acetate. Best quality, no artifacts, lossless. 2) Coltturkey - Home Demos: Higher generation copy of the acetate, with wobbly azimuth (=tape head alignment) during a tape copy causing a periodically repeating removal of high frequency content. Lower quality tape copy, still lossless. 3) Apple's official 2019 Abbey Road Super Delux Edition: From the same bad tape transfer as #2, so it shares the pattern of #2's missing high frequency content. Additionally, it is lossy (see earlier post for more close up screenshot and explanation). Lower quality tape copy and lossy encoding. I did some analyzing and found that 5 of the bonus tracks are sourced from lossy files: Dics 2, Track 2: Goodbye (Studio Demo) Disc 2, Track 3: Something (Studio Demo) Disc 2, Track 9: Her Majesty (Takes 1-3) Disc 3, Track 8: Because (Take 1 - Instrumental) Disc 3, Track 10: Something (Take 39 / Instrumental / Strings Only) The remix and all the rest of the bonus tracks are truly lossless. How... how is this possible? The tapes for most of those should be available to EMI. Actually, no: Dics 2, Track 2: Goodbye (Studio Demo) LOSSYDisc 2, Track 3: Something (Studio Demo) LOSSLESSDisc 2, Track 9: Her Majesty (Takes 1-3) LOSSLESSDisc 3, Track 8: Because (Take 1 - Instrumental) LOSSLESSDisc 3, Track 10: Something (Take 39 / Instrumental / Strings Only) LOSSLESSSome of them are slightly lowpassed (less treble) but they are not lossy. I assume you were looking at a long term spectral plot (for example the audacity command: Analyze > Plot Spectrum) to determine this? That's not a reliable method for detecting lossy encodings because lowpassing or equalization can produce the same impression. You have to look for bin artifacts in an actual spectrogram (also possible in audacity). I will give you my impression but not tomorrow. I was burned too bad on Pepper and no longer try to be ahead of the curve unless the mix is from Steven Wilson. Paul McCartney said in the great The Beatles Anthology video series, I'm not one to say,maybe it had too much of this or that,"It's great, it sold, it's the bloody Beatles' shut up!" On vacation so i’ll Make it short 6 songs were cut by Paul Come and Get It was the one that returned from the abyss All Things Must Pass was one of the cuts I’m friends with Steve on FB but I try to keep the FB and SHTV worlds separate. A waste of $20 for the 2-CD set. Should have been titled 50th Anniversary 1980s FM-Radio Remix. However, I do want to thank Giles Martin for the straw that finally broke my collector's back. No more LPs or CDs for me. I've got enough music to last me the rest of my days so this is where it ends. Let me preface this post by stating that I will never listen to the stereo remix. Not because I don't like stereo, it's just that I've heard this music so many times during my lifetime that I don't want to get it to the point where I don't want to hear it anymore, which is where I am with many of the old albums I love(d). If it isn't Paul on piano, then it's George. As I've said a few times George wrote and performed this song on piano. John rarely, if ever, played the bass notes as chords... usually one or two fingers. The chords to the song feature full chords with the left hand. I'd say compare the piano on George's Birthday demo and take 2. Sounds very similar (same sort of sloppiness) and NOT in the style of John Lennon. Why would John be playing the featured instrument on one of George's songs, especially at this stage of their career? I figure Paul could have learned the piano part, but John? I don't think so. Ron PS IF it's really Paul on drums then it would be George on piano and John on guitar. My educated opinion.
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Post by sₚⲁᵣₖydₒg on Sept 29, 2019 17:36:57 GMT
I like the Abbey Road surround mix just fine. My educated opinion is that I will completely pass on any Let It Be project that may be forthcoming. What a sad, depressing bunch of horrible music.
I'm sure after Mike Carrera rubs one out to the new Ringo abortion, he'll be back to be the official LIB Wal-Mart greeter. Also, what could maccawings possibly be on vacation from?
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Sept 29, 2019 18:39:56 GMT
I like the Abbey Road surround mix just fine. My educated opinion is that I will completely pass on any Let It Be project that may be forthcoming. What a sad, depressing bunch of horrible music. I'm sure after Mike Carrera rubs one out to the new Ringo abortion, he'll be back to be the official LIB Wal-Mart greeter. Also, what could maccawings possibly be on vacation from? Vacation might be code word for fat camp?
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Post by Felonious Spunk on Sept 29, 2019 20:11:42 GMT
1) if there’s a superior version of this Goodbye demo out there, why waste all the time on this? Say there’s a better version and move on.
2) it’s the fucking demo of Goodbye!?!? Who gives a shit?
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Post by mudflapslim on Sept 29, 2019 20:25:10 GMT
1) if there’s a superior version of this Goodbye demo out there, why waste all the time on this? Say there’s a better version and move on. 2) it’s the fucking demo of Goodbye!?!? Who gives a shit? But just think how good it could have sounded if sTeVe hadn't stole the tape.
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Post by essayceedee on Sept 29, 2019 20:57:50 GMT
I'm very upset that these mediocrities that I'm only going to listen to once aren't absolutely perfect.
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