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Post by Boozin' Susan on Oct 4, 2019 12:20:04 GMT
Finally got around to listening to most of the remixed album today.
Meh.
I like Abbey Road and the remix is not the abomination many SHites say it is, but it just doesn’t seem all that much different than the original mix.
The remix of Sgt. Pepper was an eye-opener. The bass and drums stood out, and much of it was quite revelatory.
I haven’t really gone through the outtakes yet, although I did give a listen to “The Long One”. (Paul was right to remove “Her Majesty” from the track.)
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Post by braindead on Oct 4, 2019 17:00:01 GMT
Finally got around to listening to most of the remixed album today. Meh. I like Abbey Road and the remix is not the abomination many SHites say it is, but it just doesn’t seem all that much different than the original mix. The remix of Sgt. Pepper was an eye-opener. The bass and drums really stood out, and much of it was really quite revelatory. I haven’t really gone through the outtakes yet, although I did give a listen to “The Long One”. (Paul was right to remove “Her Majesty” from the track.) Shitey to say but yes.
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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Oct 4, 2019 17:44:34 GMT
Whoah, George Martin WAS indeed the fifth Beatle!Being a massive Beatles fan, I never found much merit in the opinion that George Martin was the fifth Beatle. I could not see how's that possible. Yes, Martin did contribute some ideas to their success (such as suggesting they open "Can't Buy Me Love" with the chorus, or adding baroque piano to "In My Life"), but such contributions were few and in-between. The actual realization that George Martin was the fifth Beatle hit me last night, when I sat down to listen to (for me), one of the most intense LP sides ever -- side 2 of the "Abbey Road". I don't do that often, as it is very emotionally gripping and quite exhausting, but every now and then I revisit that magic kingdom of the Abbey Road medley that ends with "The End" and then tags it with bitter-sweet "Her Majesty". This time, I was keen to experience the emotional roller coaster by playing the newly minted 50th anniversary remix. I put the LP on, sat back and braced myself for the flood of emotions. And then... nothing. No emotions, no goosebumps. Nothing. The Beatles sounded flat and lifeless. I started asking myself: "Is this how the greatest band of all time sounds? For real? It's not very gripping." The Beatles sounded like a competent, but somewhat boring AOR pop band. Which was a shocking revelation for me. I've never experienced the Beatles as being even slightly boring. A dark cloud appeared in my mind. Maybe the Beatles are actually overrated? Hmmm... Then, out of desperation, I pulled out my original UK copy, and put side 2 on my turntable. And BAM! There is was! Back in its full glory. The magic of the Beatles. The goosebumps, the levitating in my listening chair, the waterworks... Everything came flooding back! Oh, and the intensity... beyond words. So what is different? Production! George Martin. He was the guy who knew how to package the Beatles so that they sparkle, they shine. His son Giles only knows how to present the Beatles as a competent, clean band. Nice, tidy, safe, but my god -- boring as hell! So I went back and compared the White Album 2018 remix with my original copy -- same conclusion. Sgt. Pepper's 2017 remix with my original copy -- same! So George Martin was the secret ingredient. Without him, the brilliant songwriting, the brilliant playing and singing wouldn't have been at all impactful. George Martin was a genius! This is why these remixes slightly irritate me. Abbey Road did not need remixing and the remix is so similar to the original it's pointless. What exactly are Giles Martin's credentials and why does he think it's OK to override much of his father's incredible work? Ya know, there's an alternate conclusion that you could draw -- one that would be less of an endorsement of George Martin (although I believe that he definitely deserves one) and more of an indictment of Giles Martin (who I believe has benefited immensely from the same sort of nepotism that put Jason Bonham in the drumseat behind Zeppelin and Deacon Frey in Eagles). Do you not get that he’s paid to remix these? Giles doesn’t show up at Abbey Road with a gun and a list of demands. What's the relevance of this? You asked why Giles thinks it’s okay to override his father’s work. Someone is paying him to do so. Of course, a fair point. Doesn't make Giles look like a man with good principles though. Don't get me wrong, these remixes are a failure in my eyes. That doesn't mean someone with a great ear couldn't make some genuinely good mixes. I guarantee you if Steven Wilson were given the multitracks to Sgt. Pepper, it would likely blow your head off! Ringo is actually the fifth Beatle. EDIT: sixth?
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Post by respiratoryproblems on Oct 4, 2019 20:36:02 GMT
“one of the most intense LP sides ever -- side 2 of the "Abbey Road". I don't do that often, as it is very emotionally gripping and quite exhausting”
Quick, someone play him Berlin or The Final Cut. That’ll finish him off.
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Post by daved on Oct 4, 2019 20:43:30 GMT
Her Majesty is bitter sweet? It’s such a worthless piece of shit it was cut from the tape!
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Post by cellphonewaveform on Oct 4, 2019 23:57:08 GMT
Didn’t you once start a thread at the old Stereo Central (that featured a stock shot of a gleefully-sneering young child) expressing satisfaction that STeVE would never get close to the Beatles’ master tapes? That screed was a fun read! That I did, Sooze. I had completely forgotten about that thread and you sent me scrambling for the photo I used. I actually still had it on a stick. Yes, it was fun "asking" STEVE how he was doing and inquiring how his Beatles "projects" were coming along. Never very well, of course. web.archive.org/web/20150329060454/http://stereocentral.tv/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=5352
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Post by braindead on Oct 8, 2019 12:21:19 GMT
The two sides of Abbey Road were, until the last minute (presumably at Lennon's insistence), programmed round the other way, with 'I Want You (She's So Heavy)' concluding the album."
I'm working on my next short film about The Beatles for my YouTube channel, and I noticed this interesting tidbit while researching. It's in a footnote in Ian Macdonald's "Revolution in the Head" - p363, 3rd ed.
I searched the forums and around the web in general, but didn't find any discussions about this. And I've asked legit experts on the band, but no one has heard this story or even remembered Macdonald's claim. As for Macdonald, he doesn't cite his source. (I'd ask him directly, but... RIP.)
I'm not thinking it's true, but I do wonder where the author heard this. Anyone here at SH familiar with this? Osborne, Friday at 11:23 AM
Has he asked Brainwashed?
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Post by respiratoryproblems on Oct 8, 2019 21:21:14 GMT
/Shite mode: MacDonald also says that at one point Lennon wanted his songs on one side of the album and Macca’s songs on the other. I attribute blame for my wholesale Beatle worship on reading Revolution In The Head at an impressionable age, but even I knew some of it was bullshit. That one footnote especially irritated me.
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Post by krabapple on Oct 9, 2019 18:23:53 GMT
"flat and lifeless", if only we could say that about certain SHites...
Regarding that green spectragram from a page or so ago....the one for the 'best' source, digitized from an acetate, appears to have lots of noise (hiss). If noise reduced, it would probably look a lot like the two 'worst'. So it's not necessarily 'missing frequencies' due to satanic mp3, like that ahole is claiming as a certainty. As if any of those fucks could 'hear' mp3 compression anyway.
"I guarantee you if Steven Wilson were given the multitracks to Sgt. Pepper, it would likely blow your head off!"
Unless it's like one of his *shitty* remixes.
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Post by sₚⲁᵣₖydₒg on Oct 10, 2019 14:00:31 GMT
Wilson's made a few missteps, but I have lots of his remixes and enjoy them a lot for most part. He made Aqualung into an enjoyable listen (if you like Tull.) Although he has a fairly popular prog group himself, he seems to be actually grounded in reality and moderately humble about himself. And he never mentions cameras, watches or lunching with Franz Di Cioccio.
And this:
[QUOTE:] Steven Wilson won’t remix any more Emerson, Lake and Palmer albums – because he doesn’t feel as strongly drawn to their music as he does to others. The Porcupine Tree mainman has worked on two ELP surround sound remix projects. And while he’s keen to continue that kind of production work, he wants to concentrate on music that moves him more. “I’ve got to love the album and the people involved – it’s as simple as that. I did two ELP albums but I’ve chosen not to do any more because I can’t honestly say I love them. I didn’t feel as connected to them as the King Crimson or Jethro Tull albums."
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Post by mintyjackhole on Oct 10, 2019 14:27:48 GMT
I get Wilson's popularity over there. He actually does what SHiTEs hope for all the time. He takes music they love but are sick of and makes it sound new again. SHiTEs would feel the same way about The Beatles remixes if not for STeVE's jealous bullshit. Wilson doesn't make music I am into, nor does he remix music I am into, but he seems like an okay dude.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 1:32:59 GMT
"flat and lifeless", if only we could say that about certain SHites... MAYBEIMAMAZED seems to be lifeless by spending all her time in Hoofyville, but I don’t know her bust size to say if she is flat or not. (Insert Arnold Grove wink here)
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Post by PacificOceanSpew on Oct 11, 2019 20:09:15 GMT
"flat and lifeless", if only we could say that about certain SHites... MAYBEIMAMAZED seems to be lifeless by spending all her time in Hoofyville, but I don’t know her bust size to say if she is flat or not. (Insert Arnold Grove wink here) And getting arrested for drunk driving. Yeah....Google is indeed your friend.
Reading through that Abbey Road thread at ShiTe-Ville. I left wanting to hang myself. Everything sucks: The Blu Ray doesn't play in their $4000 machines, the mix sucks, Giles Martin has no right to remix the Beatles, the mastering is bass heavy..."if only our host" Hey ! Fuck you ShiTes!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 20:26:00 GMT
MAYBEIMAMAZED seems to be lifeless by spending all her time in Hoofyville, but I don’t know her bust size to say if she is flat or not. (Insert Arnold Grove wink here) And getting arrested for drunk driving. Yeah....Google is indeed your friend.
Reading through that Abbey Road thread at ShiTe-Ville. I left wanting to hang myself. Everything sucks: The Blu Ray doesn't play in their $4000 machines, the mix sucks, Giles Martin has no right to remix the Beatles, the mastering is bass heavy..."if only our host" Hey ! Fuck you ShiTes!
It’s ironic how music is supposed to bring people together and yet that place sucks the enjoyment out of anything - music, movies, TV, books, marriage, life, fast food, alcohol, salt, beef, school, life.
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Post by daved on Oct 11, 2019 21:33:18 GMT
Is Blu-ray really that problematic, or is that just a typical anal retentive/born loser SHite thing? According to their endless whining, one out of every four Blu-ray discs is unplayable. I have never dealt with the format, but I find it hard to believe that something that broken would ever make it to market in the first place.
Every time these old fools start their incessant whining demanding "replacement discs," I wish someone would invent a face punching machine.
I haven’t put a disc in my player in about 5 years. I know it took about 5 minutes to fucking load the menu. My player is pretty old so not sure if the newer generation are better.
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