j365
Sir Ringo
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Post by j365 on Jul 5, 2020 18:35:57 GMT
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Post by aaa-appreciator on Jul 5, 2020 18:56:26 GMT
I’m surprised labels don’t get a clause put in their insurance contracts protecting assets from “flood, fire, force de majeure and hoffman and all and any associates”.
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Post by philspacedoor on Jul 5, 2020 19:49:29 GMT
I actually like the dcc A Night at the Opera, and I like his Close to the Edge. ::chair emoji:: for music taste and remasturbater(s) That reminds me i have an 320k/mp3 rip of the DCC A Night at the Opera, probably the only copy of a Hoofman remaster I have. I don't know that I like it more or less than other remasters, I've never met a version of ANATO that I didn't like.
My favorite edition is the used cassette version that a school friend had given me as a kid (his Dad owned an antique store/junk shop), probably a 1980's cassette, it was my first time hearing the album on my walkman. Part of the cassette was mangled, and messed up a short passage in two songs. It was my only copy for a few years until I bought a used copy of the 1991 Hollywood Records CD.
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Post by audiopro on Jul 6, 2020 14:47:10 GMT
You fuckers made me dig out my copy of Pet Sounds. It's the vilified at SHiTEville 1990 Larry Walsh/Mark Linett transfer from the mono masters. And it sounds great. Very balanced, bass, mids and treble all in harmony even at louder levels. I had downloaded Hoffman's DCC years ago just to have it and burned a copy to CD-R. Compared to the '90, Hoffman severely jacked the bass and the midrange. In fact, the mids are elevated to the point where the vocals stand out unnaturally against the instruments. EAC levels and wave forms available upon request. Not to turn this thread into another SHite thread, but 1990 is drowned in NR and i heard that Landy was responsible for this and had his fucking hand in mastering choices. I just checked DCC and sure - jacked up bass and tube distortion are here. I liked how Linett trashed DCC and Hoffman personally on SmileySmile forum What gets me is how the 1990 CD is supposedly a worse atrocity than anything committed by Hitler, but when they cut that exact same NR'd digital tape onto vinyl for the EMI 100 / Simply Vinyl reissue (they used the same plates), it somehow sounded almost as good as the best pressings out there. Surface noise obviously has its charms.
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Post by Brick Wall on Jul 6, 2020 15:27:24 GMT
We just don't have the ears, pal.
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Post by Chicken in Black on Jul 6, 2020 23:33:04 GMT
The 1997 mastering was used as the base for the mono/stereo twofer released a couple of years later. First version (1999 I guess) had Ron McMaster futzing with a few settings, and if you have a CD player compatible with HDCD, it switches back and forth. It was corrected a couple of years later with a second version, supervised by Mark Linett, which must have gone back to the 1997 mastering for the mono tracks and restored a few more Mike Love vocals for the stereo mix, as technology had improved in the meantime.
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Post by darthparrox on Jul 7, 2020 20:29:39 GMT
What is wrong with stereo mix of Wild Honey? It's kind of dry and very narrow stereo. Not the usual Linnett style "let's throw digital reverb all over the song, like hitting Opera Mode on reciever!"
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Post by essayceedee on Jul 8, 2020 0:50:51 GMT
I think all of those stereo Beach Boys remixes suck ass. I really don’t get this mania for FIRST TIME EVER STEREO MIXES!! for stuff that was never, ever meant to be heard that way.
If a W-I-D-E STEREO remix has the proper bits and pieces FLOWN IN though, it’s a different story.
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Post by darthparrox on Jul 8, 2020 10:12:09 GMT
I listen to stereo as alternative, not the only way to experience the albums. But no love for stereo Pet Sounds, really? PS sounds dreadful in mono - muddy mess, thanks to endless tape bounces. Plus there's a tape bleed on I'm Waiting For The Day vocal lines, voices on Here Today in background. Wilson mixed that album fairly quick. On vintage 1963-1964 stereo voices are opens up better, better fidelity as well. Brian didn't mixed anything in stereo starting with Friends (which is totally HIS album) too.
Sure, some of those Linnett remixes sucks big ass. 1965 albums mixes especially.
As for Wild Honey, there's still original mono available which managed to sounds even worse than PS which is quite achievement. Also, it's something like 25% of Sunshine Tomorrow set which have a tons of other interesting stuff. Capitol won't had released it at all without marketing ploy of releasing LP stereo mix.
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Post by braindead on Jul 8, 2020 12:25:56 GMT
SonicZone said: ↑
Steve, this question may be difficult to talk about (if so I apologize, and if you can't or don't want to discuss it I certainly understand), but could we find out once and for all exactly how that mastering fiasco happened with the AF Pretenders gold CD?
Also, did you ever check out MFSL's hybrid SACD that came along later? I seem to recall you expressed interest in it at one point and was wondering if you'd heard it (and what you thought of it).
We wanted to do the Pretenders album, one of my favorites of all-time.
We didn't want to use the same Equalized and Compressed cutting dub that everyone else used to cut this. With a connection at Rhino (I think) we got some of the original mixes from the UK. A few didn't have the final effects or whatever on them and we were supposed to add them in post. At any rate, we did that over at Capitol and something happened, everything got sonically compromised in some way during manufacturing and that was it.
Every other version since then (so I've noted) has gone back to using the same worn out USA EQ dub again!
Steve Hoffman, Oct 5, 2018
Yikes!!!!!!
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Post by Talky Tina on Jul 8, 2020 13:42:13 GMT
I listened. The stereo remix of Wild Honey is truly wimpy.
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Post by Sanjay Gupton on Jul 8, 2020 15:06:41 GMT
I have never heard anyone mention grit, power, meatiness and The Beach Boys at the same time.
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Jul 8, 2020 15:33:30 GMT
Meaty Beaty Big and Beachy
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Post by Potsie Hoofman on Jul 9, 2020 2:36:06 GMT
STeVE peaked with his "Gary U.S. Bonds" ceedee in 1984.
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bradman
Better than Steve
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Post by bradman on Jul 9, 2020 4:46:21 GMT
I listen to stereo as alternative, not the only way to experience the albums. But no love for stereo Pet Sounds, really? PS sounds dreadful in mono - muddy mess, thanks to endless tape bounces. Plus there's a tape bleed on I'm Waiting For The Day vocal lines, voices on Here Today in background. Wilson mixed that album fairly quick. On vintage 1963-1964 stereo voices are opens up better, better fidelity as well. Brian didn't mixed anything in stereo starting with Friends (which is totally HIS album) too. Sure, some of those Linnett remixes sucks big ass. 1965 albums mixes especially. As for Wild Honey, there's still original mono available which managed to sounds even worse than PS which is quite achievement. Also, it's something like 25% of Sunshine Tomorrow set which have a tons of other interesting stuff. Capitol won't had released it at all without marketing ploy of releasing LP stereo mix. Pet Sounds is what it is, tape bleed, stray voices and all. Why not have "opened up" and less compressed Motown mixes or Sun Ra albums with the ringing telephones mixed out? Sure, it is possible to airbrush and sanitize this stuff, but why the desire for that? The original intent of Pet Sounds was not to present an "opened up" instrumental palette but rather the opposite. That is what it is. If you are listening to an alteration, you are listening to someone''s forensic vanity fuckery. If you fuck with that, well, you end up with ... something, I suppose, but whatever it is, it is not what it was supposed to be. My attitude is that life is too finite to bother with that sort of thing. Hell, life is too short to even listen to Pet Sounds again for the umpteenth time, but if I am going to hear it, I am going to listen to the actual thing as intended. This isn't coming from a a purist or idealized stance. Maybe if those Frankenstein stereo mixes didn't sound like sonic shit out of the gate I might have some doubts about what I am saying. Maybe, but unlikely.
Add the recent Beatles remixes to the pile.
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