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Post by Brick Wall on Jun 5, 2021 16:46:13 GMT
Recommended viewing.
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Post by Norman ‘Whiplash’ Mailer on Aug 1, 2021 15:57:50 GMT
I’m currently playing the recent vinyl reissue of Sonny Clark’s Cool Struttin’ and at one point during “Blue Minor” I couldn’t believe how great the recording was, how it captured every bit of some incredible percussion work, so I just want to take a moment to say, “Fuck STeVE.”
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Post by bradman on Aug 1, 2021 18:13:15 GMT
We all should take such a moment more often.
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Post by Norman ‘Whiplash’ Mailer on Feb 11, 2022 23:19:47 GMT
Did this asshole really bump a thread just to take a shot at RVG?
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Post by daved on Feb 11, 2022 23:31:28 GMT
Rudy:
Steve:
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Post by Boozin' Susan on Feb 11, 2022 23:50:50 GMT
The only accurate word in STeVE’s description is that he’s American.
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Post by spicer on Feb 14, 2022 21:05:12 GMT
The thing with RVG that makes him special is that he was technically (in the sense of understanding the tools he was working with) incredibly clever. He designed, built and modified much of his studio to the exact specifications he believed the music he was recording deserved. He was rigorous, dedicated and methodical. Granted, he didn’t major in French at high school, nor could he hang an unopened carton of minty 2B pencils from his cock, but he was a true engineer, a craftsman and by all accounts a man of principal. Steve Hoffman however…
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Post by Los Narcosatanicos on Feb 18, 2022 6:29:44 GMT
The thing with RVG that makes him special is that he was technically (in the sense of understanding the tools he was working with) incredibly clever. He designed, built and modified much of his studio to the exact specifications he believed the music he was recording deserved. He was rigorous, dedicated and methodical. Granted, he didn’t major in French at high school, nor could he hang an unopened carton of minty 2B pencils from his cock, but he was a true engineer, a craftsman and by all accounts a man of principal. Steve Hoffman however… I mean...he recorded a bunch of those classic albums in his parents' fucking living room. What he pulled off was incredible. The worst thing you can say about him as an engineer is that when Blue Note had him remaster some of his stuff for CD as the RVG Collection, his hearing had deteriorated enough for those CDs to be subpar. But that's it, and it's not even his fault. Someone else should have stepped in when the CDs came out kind of meh.
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Post by Los Narcosatanicos on Feb 20, 2022 1:43:18 GMT
I have never understood what is supposed to be wrong with these. Is it SHites whining that the top end hurts their little ears? Every remaster that I have heard from the "RVG Collection" has sounded fine to me. Off the top of my head, I would say that the RVG Collection versions of Dolphy's Out to Lunch, the two volumes of Monk's Genius of Modern Music and Cecil Taylor's Conquistador are the best sounding versions of those recordings out there. What are the "bad" ones supposed to be? It's been forever since I've listened to them, but I do remember thinking they sounded noticeably inferior to the other digital versions I had of the same albums, entirely independent of what the SHites said.
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Post by essayceedee on Feb 20, 2022 1:48:04 GMT
The S-T-E-R-E-O probably isn't W-I-D-E enough. At least you can listen to them through headphones. The Blue Note albums really need to be reissued in mono, which is clearly how this stuff was meant to be heard. Ornette Coleman's Atlantic LP's also need mono reissues. Those imbalanced stereo mixes are painful.
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Post by spicer on Feb 20, 2022 3:08:36 GMT
[SHite on] Hit the mono button (or throw the files into audacity and do it there) and the stereo BNs sound pretty good. RVG did juice the mono mixes with a combo of compression and limiting that still hasn’t been completely sussed. There’s a bit of that on the RVG edition CDs but it’s toned down for the digital era. Anyway, he monitored in mono for pretty much everything right up until the late 60s but the thing with modern mastering in the Kevin Gray era is to get the sweetened ‘room sound’ version of the tapes. Have to admit I kinda like the hot, compressed original pressings myself but they really cost a fucking fortune now. [SHite off]
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Post by bradman on Feb 20, 2022 5:45:10 GMT
I have never understood what is supposed to be wrong with these. Is it SHites whining that the top end hurts their little ears? Every remaster that I have heard from the "RVG Collection" has sounded fine to me. Off the top of my head, I would say that the RVG Collection versions of Dolphy's Out to Lunch, the two volumes of Monk's Genius of Modern Music and Cecil Taylor's Conquistador are the best sounding versions of those recordings out there. What are the "bad" ones supposed to be?
They are too loud and too bright, in general. The versions they replaced sound better in most instances.
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Post by bigmuff on Feb 20, 2022 13:52:29 GMT
[SHite on] Hit the mono button (or throw the files into audacity and do it there) and the stereo BNs sound pretty good. RVG did juice the mono mixes with a combo of compression and limiting that still hasn’t been completely sussed. There’s a bit of that on the RVG edition CDs but it’s toned down for the digital era. Anyway, he monitored in mono for pretty much everything right up until the late 60s but the thing with modern mastering in the Kevin Gray era is to get the sweetened ‘room sound’ version of the tapes. Have to admit I kinda like the hot, compressed original pressings myself but they really cost a fucking fortune now. [SHite off] This is more to do with you mentioning Audacity than these RVGs in particular, but for anybody who does fool around with it (Audacity), something I've been doing for a while with certain things is knocking a stereo file down to mono, then saving/combining the stereo and mono together as a new file. It doesn't always work, but when it does, it tends to work extremely well. It seems to add an extra level of overall "support", for lack of a better word.
It's especially good for things that have a dodgy stereo spectrum in places to start with, or old things that perhaps have other issues like drop-outs and whatnot. One thing that I had particularly good results in doing it with was Miles's "He Loved Him Madly".
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Feb 20, 2022 15:34:24 GMT
I use audacity to edit out the bad words in songs so I can listen to them the way God intended.
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Post by essayceedee on Feb 21, 2022 1:53:10 GMT
Giant Steps has been reissued in mono in the last few years, but I'm not sure about the rest of them.
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