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Post by Norman ‘Whiplash’ Mailer on Aug 6, 2022 2:58:15 GMT
This whole vinyl sounds better thing I’ve never understood. Sometimes I hear differences and stuff but I never once give it a thought where the music came from, digital or tape. Maybe I just enjoy the music too much to care how it was recorded? Maybe it’s all bullshit? I’m currently listening to an album of music recorded on cellphones in the Sahel and transferred via WhatsApp to Bandcamp. I’m grateful to live in a time where I can hear such things. Who gives a fuck that it wasn’t recorded by Alan Lomax lugging 100 pounds of open reel gear through the Sahara desert? sahelsoundscompilations.bandcamp.com/album/music-from-saharan-whatsapp
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Post by Professional...Writer on Aug 6, 2022 3:43:20 GMT
This whole vinyl sounds better thing I’ve never understood. Sometimes I hear differences and stuff but I never once give it a thought where the music came from, digital or tape. Maybe I just enjoy the music too much to care how it was recorded? Maybe it’s all bullshit? Please list your equipment in your profile, thanks.
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Post by Sounds.. ago on Aug 6, 2022 3:54:11 GMT
How long until Steev claims he was interviewed but the writer didn’t agree with him or use his quotes? I am tempted to email the writer if I can find his address and as if STeVe was even a part of the research outside of using the forum as a source. STeVE's not at liberty to discuss his conversation with the journalist because the Washington Post made him sign a NDA. heh.
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Post by Professional...Writer on Aug 6, 2022 4:03:13 GMT
'And Randy Braun, a music lover, Hoffman message board member and lawyer in New York, hopes that, in the end, the MoFi revelation will prove what he’s been saying for years, that the anti-digital crowd has been lying to itself: “These people who claim they have golden ears and can hear the difference between analog and digital, well, it turns out you couldn’t.”'
This is the crux of the biscuit right there. These SHiites got exposed for being full of shit for years. All the wailing and gnashing of teeth won't unbruise their egos.
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Post by respiratoryproblems on Aug 6, 2022 8:46:32 GMT
Feel pretty sorry for the journo (or their intern) who had to wade through all 400 pages of Strat-Mangler’s mouth-breathing arseholery for research.
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Post by Norman ‘Whiplash’ Mailer on Aug 6, 2022 11:22:47 GMT
Feel pretty sorry for the journo (or their intern) who had to wade through all 400 pages of Strat-Mangler’s mouth-breathing arseholery for research. I’m pretty sure that the writer is a SHiTe, which is how this article came to be. Strat-mangler mentioning a couple of weeks ago that he’d been interviewed was the first time I saw reference to a WaPo article being written. I was hoping this would lead to him getting doxxed so we could finally see what he looks like, but the Canadian arguing with a friend about the records being all analogue in the story appears to be DeRosa.
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Post by respiratoryproblems on Aug 6, 2022 12:10:30 GMT
Feel pretty sorry for the journo (or their intern) who had to wade through all 400 pages of Strat-Mangler’s mouth-breathing arseholery for research. I’m pretty sure that the writer is a SHiTe, which is how this article came to be. Strat-mangler mentioning a couple of weeks ago that he’d been interviewed was the first time I saw reference to a WaPo article being written. I was hoping this would lead to him getting doxxed so we could finally see what he looks like, but the Canadian arguing with a friend about the records being all analogue in the story appears to be DeRosa. I thought Strat-Mangler’s face was well known around these parts after he posted a link to his shitty band video? Or am I thinking of someone else?
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Aug 6, 2022 12:28:47 GMT
This whole vinyl sounds better thing I’ve never understood. Sometimes I hear differences and stuff but I never once give it a thought where the music came from, digital or tape. Maybe I just enjoy the music too much to care how it was recorded? Maybe it’s all bullshit? I believe it has roots in the "loudness war" days when vinyls would sometimes receive better masterings than their CD counterpart.
But even then, it's not like anything about the format itself was better.
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Post by Norman ‘Whiplash’ Mailer on Aug 6, 2022 12:36:36 GMT
I’m pretty sure that the writer is a SHiTe, which is how this article came to be. Strat-mangler mentioning a couple of weeks ago that he’d been interviewed was the first time I saw reference to a WaPo article being written. I was hoping this would lead to him getting doxxed so we could finally see what he looks like, but the Canadian arguing with a friend about the records being all analogue in the story appears to be DeRosa. I thought Strat-Mangler’s face was well known around these parts after he posted a link to his shitty band video? Or am I thinking of someone else? You might be thinking of Telepicker 97/Former Lee Warmer/The Gomper who poats here as Hoffyflipflops.
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Post by Aquaholic 2.0 on Aug 6, 2022 13:17:48 GMT
How long until Steev claims he was interviewed but the writer didn’t agree with him or use his quotes? I am tempted to email the writer if I can find his address and as if STeVe was even a part of the research outside of using the forum as a source. STeVE's not at liberty to discuss his conversation with the journalist because the Washington Post made him sign a NDA. heh. After I typed that I thought that exact thing. I forgot that Steve was too big in the business not to be talked to, but definitely important enough to have a NDA on everything he does.
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Post by Aquaholic 2.0 on Aug 6, 2022 13:25:22 GMT
This whole vinyl sounds better thing I’ve never understood. Sometimes I hear differences and stuff but I never once give it a thought where the music came from, digital or tape. Maybe I just enjoy the music too much to care how it was recorded? Maybe it’s all bullshit? I believe it has roots in the "loudness war" days when vinyls would sometimes receive better masterings than their CD counterpart.
But even then, it's not like anything about the format itself was better.
I’ve always viewed it as each format has its pros and cons and never thought one was better than the other. In terms of physical formats CDs are better, to me, but that doesn’t prevent me from enjoying my records. I’ve never once thought about the sound, unless something looked good but when played sounded like it was previously played with a nail. I know I’ve mentioned this before but I knew this was all full of shit when I asked about player recommendations and used the term “record player.” Besides being piled on by those assholes for saying that I was also thrown into moderation for several days for using the wrong term. I should have used “turntable” and anyone who was a member was supposed to know that. Fuck that place, and fuck Steve Hoffman.
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Post by Mediocrates on Aug 6, 2022 13:39:06 GMT
'And Randy Braun, a music lover, Hoffman message board member and lawyer in New York, hopes that, in the end, the MoFi revelation will prove what he’s been saying for years, that the anti-digital crowd has been lying to itself: “These people who claim they have golden ears and can hear the difference between analog and digital, well, it turns out you couldn’t.”'This is the crux of the biscuit right there. These SHiites got exposed for being full of shit for years. All the wailing and gnashing of teeth won't unbruise their egos. I got a few one-liners to that effect in before getting banned from the thread. It was cathartic.
Didn't anyone notice the missing reverb tails? was the one that did me in.
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Post by UDII on Aug 6, 2022 20:54:26 GMT
M*****l could not find a working link, if I had a spare "burner account" I would have sent him the link to this thread.
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Post by ledzeppelin2rl on Aug 6, 2022 21:02:50 GMT
'And Randy Braun, a music lover, Hoffman message board member and lawyer in New York, hopes that, in the end, the MoFi revelation will prove what he’s been saying for years, that the anti-digital crowd has been lying to itself: “These people who claim they have golden ears and can hear the difference between analog and digital, well, it turns out you couldn’t.”' This is the crux of the biscuit right there. These SHiites got exposed for being full of shit for years. All the wailing and gnashing of teeth won't unbruise their egos. It is the 800 lb. Gorilla still in the room. They are hiding that part while they still pile on Mofi & Fremer. "They lied"! "They lied to us"! Fremer is an ass etc. The golden ears don't want to discuss they were called out for listening to digitally cut expensive records now for years and did not know. They want to discuss anything but that. Now they are calling out for class action lawsuits against Mofi. And now they wonder why audiophiles get bad reputations they just can look in the mirror. The comment section of The Washington Post has been not kind to the audiophile world. Alot of comments there are asking the questions that SHTV will not talk about or hide from They have been called out and they have no explanations other than blaming Mofi and Fremer who is now another villain of many to the SHites.
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Aug 6, 2022 22:25:14 GMT
And again all this shit goes back to a time where this kind of discourse was actually useful and relevant. There were official CDs using audibly lower quality mp3s as a source and other such issues and it was worthwhile for fans and collectors to be aware of this stuff and to maybe even get the labels to do better. But it all inevitably spiraled out of control to whatever bullshit they are on now.
Audiophilia does have a basis in reality. The cheap knock off earbuds I bought from a bodega because I couldn't bear the thought of not having music for one whole night are clearly inferior to the Sony ones I use. This sounds good, this sounds bad, this sounds good but is worse than that, etc. With the whole digital vinyl thing, yeah, 15-20 years ago it was actually relevant because there would be, on occasion, audible differences. It wasn't the digital step itself, but how it was applied.
It's no different really from a "name a song that is about X." The first two pages will name every song about X. But it won't end there. You'll get 50 more pages discussing what X is, songs that are definitely not about X, and by page 75 X will be Y and there will be a long list of songs about Z.
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