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Post by gobshite on Sept 30, 2022 22:54:59 GMT
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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Dec 26, 2022 18:57:00 GMT
Mmmmmm … not sure about this one . Meh. Easily the poorest Christmas release so far. Did the well run dry? Would I like it? Sure. Will I pay $19 for it? Heck no. I could have sworn July was not Christmas time but hey leaving that aside thanks to Bruce Inc for the Christmas release. At the new pricing I don’t know if I would view it as a gift. I guess it would be too much to ask for Toronto 12/75, which was supposedly recorded. They seem to want to avoid Canadian gigs at all costs. Pass Big time. They've got Toronto, plus more shows from the Roxy in L.A and the Tower Theatre in Philadelpia, why on earth couldn't they give us one of those. I haven’t purchased one in a little while. When did they raise the price on these? A month or two ago. Y'know, because people have so much more discretionary income at this exact moment. Seems specific to Bruce...Pearl Jam's shows on Nugs are still the same prices as previous, I think? Of course it sucks.The prices on these no longer reflect the product.I am getting The Rolling Stones Grrr Live 2CD+Bluray pressed on silvers and packaged with a book that has liner notes and colour photos for considerably less than what it would cost to buy this. And of course Bruce is the only Nugs artist where prices have been raised. Those dreaded “insiders” on Backstreets have suggested pretty strongly that this is Sony raising their royalty rate on these as part of a new contract with Nugs. I won’t be buying any shows at the new prices. This series is dead as far as I’m concerned. This is the first time this year I’ve heard of Bruce gouging his fans with high cost products and concerts.. Just looked at the setlist. I'd forgotten about that Sade out-take version of The River on this tour. Wow, that was bad. What a disappointment. How many people are buying these except us diehards? I know it's only $6 extra a month, but $12.99 for a 16/44 FLAC was a good value, $18.99 is too much. Sorry, Mr. Boss, no more money from me. Price increase will probably reduce monthly sales from 80 to 40. This is the first spasm of Sony eventually choking on Springsteen’s catalog deal. Anyone who’s bought it checked the DR value? If it’s a higher number than 8 I’ll be purchasing. So as I expect it to be 8 or less, it’s a pass again. Here ya go. 8 would be an improvement, lol. foobar2000 1.6.14 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1 log date: 2022-12-26 13:24:07 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Analyzed: Bruce Springsteen / 1999/07/18 East Rutherford, NJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR Peak RMS Duration Track -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR6 -0.20 dB -8.19 dB 5:52 01-I Wanna Be With You DR6 -0.20 dB -6.84 dB 5:47 02-Prove It All Night DR5 -0.20 dB -6.15 dB 2:59 03-Two Hearts DR5 -0.20 dB -8.24 dB 4:57 04-Trapped DR6 -0.20 dB -7.44 dB 7:43 05-Darlington County DR10 -0.20 dB -12.76 dB 3:34 06-Factory DR10 -0.20 dB -13.72 dB 10:20 07-The River DR6 -0.20 dB -8.21 dB 5:45 01-Youngstown DR6 -0.20 dB -6.65 dB 5:57 02-Murder Incorporated DR5 -0.20 dB -6.53 dB 5:40 03-Badlands DR6 -0.20 dB -6.83 dB 6:51 04-Out in the Street DR7 -0.20 dB -9.85 dB 18:15 05-Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out DR6 -0.20 dB -7.22 dB 4:23 06-Loose End DR6 -0.20 dB -7.27 dB 5:17 07-Sherry Darling DR6 -0.20 dB -8.64 dB 6:02 08-Working on the Highway DR12 -0.20 dB -15.23 dB 5:37 09-The Ghost of Tom Joad DR6 -0.20 dB -9.71 dB 10:43 10-Jungleland DR5 -0.20 dB -8.33 dB 15:12 01-Light Of Day DR13 -0.20 dB -16.43 dB 7:15 02-Freehold DR5 -0.20 dB -6.25 dB 3:49 03-Stand On It DR6 -0.20 dB -7.74 dB 4:51 04-Hungry Heart DR6 -0.20 dB -7.65 dB 4:26 05-Bobby Jean DR5 -0.20 dB -7.44 dB 6:39 06-Born to Run DR5 -0.20 dB -8.05 dB 6:19 07-Thunder Road DR13 -0.71 dB -17.86 dB 6:57 08-If I Should Fall Behind DR6 -0.20 dB -7.88 dB 9:33 09-Land of Hope and Dreams -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Number of tracks: 26 Official DR value: DR7 Samplerate: 44100 Hz Channels: 2 Bits per sample: 24 Bitrate: 1677 kbps Codec: FLAC ============================================================================== That I would have to pay 50% more for a new Nugs release on CD than it is costing me to get the 2CD+Bluray of Grrr Live or that his prices on Nugs are 40%. higher than Pearl Jam says that they are attempting to milk the hard core fans for every cent they can. Bruce doesn’t own Bruce Springsteen any longer. Bruce sold his fans to Sony. Kinda. Sony own the publishing and masters. JLM still control the music and output. Nobody at Sony has any control over Bruce releasing live shows and releasing a karaoke covers record. And then we got the “I’m 73” time to sell out statement in response to dynamic pricing. Yeah, that whole tour dynamic pricing fiasco is a downright disgrace. Bruce who was once so in tune with his working class roots is now all about money and looking after number one, for me the seeds of that were sown when he decided to dump the E Street band. Well, similar to dumping the ESB in 1989, all this money grubbing in 2022 will come at a cost. How, I don’t know. But I do know that big money corrupts eventually. Happy Boxing Day everyone! It will all come to an end one day on new music. Then we will see how carefully curated the archive material will be. The Tom Petty releases may ( or may not) be an indicator of getting it right some of the time albeit on a different label. He is near the end, not sure if he faces any sort of backlash like he did in ‘89, when the media and public came down on him hard, and when he still had decades of a career to go. The press now essentially looks the other way with Springsteen (he can do no wrong), and the general public has little interest. The result is that a handful of deep, long-standing fans are priced out of shows and some experience a wake-up call that Springsteen’s blue collar public persona is not real.
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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Dec 28, 2022 20:33:03 GMT
Given the historical record, there’s not much “they[]” do or do not do that is hard to to believe. These are just a few examples: Stump for politicians and prance around with billionaires. Play entire albums, released decades ago, from start to finish, on tour because the album you just released is too week to support the tour, and in doing so, becoming in some ways the oldies act you previously stated you thought abhorrent. Sit on No Nukes for 40+ years. Do a River Tour redux (35 years after The River tour ended). Charge $800.00 for a stagnant Broadway set, played five times a week and then meet and great the rich and famous backstage. Star in a Christian Nationalist Jeep commercial. Sell your music rights, that once meant everything. Justify the dynamic pricing debacle by responding that you are “73 years old” so it’s time for you to be like “everybody else.” And for those complaining, invoking Marie Antionette with your insolent remark, “you can have your money back.” So, “sitting on soundboards for the Boston ‘77 run” shouldn’t be hard to believe. Unfortunate, to be sure, as that stand is, if not the most passionate, one of the most passionate, of his entire career.
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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Feb 6, 2023 18:27:52 GMT
I just think it’s reflective of what’s been going on for a while in Springsteen Land. At least since the Broadway run, maybe even before that. There seems to be a growing perception that Springsteen has turned into a pretentious, somewhat arrogant celebrity. Quite the opposite of the person he (at least seemed to be) back in the day. I suspect the ticket extortion is only part of the story. I think the real story might be that people think he’s simply become a bit of a jerk. Or senile? He is totally unrecognisable from even say 10 to 15 years ago. His interviews have become weird and the promo he did for that soul project "my voice is kickass" or something along those lines. He hasn't produced anything near decent in over 27 years. Bye bye Johnny (Brucie) Indeed As a very casual fan of Springsteen (never seen him live; owned only a few albums over the years; revere his songwriting), I had exactly the same reaction to the Broadway thing. I was, like, "Seriously, dude...?" Pure cringe. One thing that's become very clear in retrospect, and brought into focus by recent events, is that Springsteen has an incredible ego and is remarkably vain. I realize this is not unique to him among megastars, but it's worth noting because even though he regularly goes "back" to his E-Street / Jersey shore bar-band aesthetic roots with his music and live show, he has consistently (since the late 70s when dating movie stars first became common) been incredibly obsessed with his own image and with being a 'star'. Remember c.1986-87? I liked his music then, but his whole thing was trying to be Sting. Remember the 1995 "Blood Brothers" nonsense? He was forced into that by slipping sales figures and hated every minute of it. He'd rather have been the superstar, with no one to challenge him, on stage with the no-names early-90s' band. In the 2000s, he went on the Prozac or whatever he took, and it made him lighter, happier, and more prolific. This has some good results and some bad results, musically, but in getting both (a) happier and (b) notably older in recent times, I think he's just past the point of caring whatsoever about his original, local, most-passionate audience of fans from the US northeast. It's very easy for him now to just ignore that segment of his audience and play up the international audience, the Broadway audience, the corporate audience. For me, as a casual fan, I don't really care since I was never going to go and see him live anyway, but it does seem disappointing that someone who just pocketed $500 million and didn't need cash before that would isolate his original audience even further now that he most definitely doesn't need money. It would be nice if some of these mega-rich, mega-stars would actually use their golden years to try to get back to where they started rather than reveling in their celebrity bubbles. But I guess it just isn't human nature after one has been famous and pampered for 45+ years... I agree, Nebraska was the last truly great album from Bruce. The BITUSA & TOL tours were fun, there were also few great moments on record, but BITUSA and beyond is when his ego, money and that ridiculous twang took over. Landau was even quoted as saying that "...while technically slower if you measure them in BPMs, they way mere mortals do, when you measure them in gravitas, they are much much faster." SORRY!! That was not a real quote from Landau! - just to be 100% clear. I was joking around! NOT A REAL QUOTE FROM LANDAU! Sorry - I thought it was so obviously ridiculous. Its not ridiculous at all it sounds very rock critic. Bruce and Jon have gotten too arrogant IMO I think it started with the "Born in the U.S.A." album (1984). Got all buffed up, showing his fanny, no mention (IINM) or photos of the E-Street Band on cover... just Bruce. I saw him twice -- once in early 80's, probably only topped by Jethro Tull and The Who shows (that I've seen). Saw him later in the 80's. Show was way worse, and most obnoxious of all he played what seemed like a 10-minute version of "Do You Love Me," where he exhorted everyone in the audience to scream how much they loved him about 50 times. :wtf: That said, I still love "Born to Run" (a Top 15 or so album for me), "Darkness on the Edge of Town," "Nebraska," and many select tracks from both before and after those albums. Though his fame may have been "born" by that 1984 monster hit album, the Bruce I loved died at the same time. I love Bruce Springsteen but without the original drummer and without the Big Man, I'm not willing to go out of my way to see any more of his live shows for the price that he and TM wants. The Born in The USA show was killer and the second show of his that I saw was solo acoustic performance around 2005. That too was a great show. I meant Danny Federici. I don't why I thought it was Max Weinberg who died. Sorry for any confusion. I think Bruce’s later career is mirroring Elvis’ in some ways (not in the drugs/premature death way, thank god) but in other ways. Classic, iconic artist. Big, Vegas-style greatest hits shows with huge (and talented) backup bands. Horns, backup singers etc. Lots of familiar rituals during the course of the show. Fanatical fans who are older and well outside the mainstream of music, and culture. An iconic performer past his prime, and something of a caricature, but fiercely beloved by the fans. A guy who hasn’t had a top 10 song in years, but can still turn it on when he’s on stage. A guy who continues to tour because it’s “what he does” and probably doesn’t know what else to do. (Before people wet their pants, this is not meant to be an insult. I really liked Elvis. A lot.) “Burnin’ Love” was a Top Ten hit for Elvis in 1972, 5 years before his death. When was Bruce’s last Top Ten ?
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Post by Sanjay Gupton on Feb 6, 2023 18:50:34 GMT
It’s funny how a SHiTe seems to think Bruce Springsteen has too much money and is just a greedy bitch, but Elon Musk is a great, great man.
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Post by Chungus on Feb 6, 2023 19:16:52 GMT
I assume that the majority of Springsteen backlash is because he's got a lot of "Jersey fucks" who could no longer tolerate the cognitive dissonance of Springsteen being anti-Trump and so on. They'll tell a million lies that it's about any other aspect; the Broadway thing, his aging voice, whatever. But I doubt it is. If "The Boss" would just once wave a big flag at the GOP Convention, they'd be tripping over themselves to go down on him.
These macho fans just don't know what to do with themselves as it is. Same thing with Robert De Niro. Maybe there's plenty to criticize about De Niro's film choices in the last couple of decades, but a lot of his white boomer fans got their knives out for his acting work coincidentally at the same time he came out loudly against Trump. Same with the whole Baldwin gun thing. I'm not defending Baldwin but I'm sure that half of the vitriol there has politics under the hood. If Jon Voight had pulled that trigger, these guys would be saying it was the victim's fault somehow. Trump is all these guys' projections of their own asshole fathers, coming back to make everyone ELSE feel bad instead of them this time.
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Post by respiratoryproblems on Feb 6, 2023 19:40:57 GMT
John Lennonist really is truly fucking stupid.
Also, you have to be pretty dumb to take this position:
Wright:
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Post by cockledge on Feb 6, 2023 19:58:09 GMT
Panther a very casual fan who has more to say than hardcore fans.
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Post by idontpostthere on Feb 6, 2023 21:09:37 GMT
I hate Bruce but love his fans. Nice try, but you'll never hate him as much as his fans do.
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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Feb 17, 2023 18:27:15 GMT
They should send the singers and the bongo guy home after the next show. And tell suzie and Patti that they can work from home if they want.
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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on May 1, 2023 17:17:56 GMT
Michelle Obama and Kate Capshaw? All politics aside. That is just about the lamest thing I’ve ever seen. Nothing to do with politics. It's pure elitism. Millionaires club. I fell for his man of the people schtick back in the early 80's, I woke up from it by the end of that decade. Blind faith in your heroes will get you in the end. Bruce must have misplaced his Band 101 book. Here’s how it should have gone: Patti: “Hey Bruce, my girlfriends want to come up on stage and sing a song. It’ll be fun! Bruce: “no”. Imagine paying about $1000 for a ticket and having to sit through that. Yikes. I can’t. But watching Patti’s celebrity pals preen and shake tambourines certainly wouldn’t sweeten the pot. No one is bitter. It's just an honest observation and we are entitled to it. This has nothing to do with politics or who Bruce hangs out with. Or the money he’s earned. It’s about rubbing his fans faces in it. But those guys are fellow MUSICIANS and performers. We know these people because of their talent as such. No one buys Macca albums because he’s a billionaire and Bruce didn’t invite him onstage to impress you that he knows him Look pal, this isn’t about Michelle having to apologize for anything. Who said this? Also, I know the history and I long ago figured out Bruce is not the voice of the working man or “Mr Blue Collar” — unlike, I suspect, many here. This is a straw man argument. It's not about who Bruce chooses to be friends with. Stop being so trite. Shows how lost you are. Depicting negative commentators as right wing. Bless. And it's said with an elitist, sneering, dismissive tone. " Oh, Lord knows what will set the serfs off...." I said I don't like him, has absolutely nothing to do with a grudge. A grudge would suggest that I actually cared, and I actually don't! People paid a lot of money to see Bruce and maybe didn't need 2 "non musician/singer" friends up there on stage with him. Bruce has previously shared the stage with McCartney and other music legends (he joined Bob Seger at MSG during his last tour) who are also Millionaires but I don't think it was a sign of elitism or "look who I'm friends with", more a sign of respect for a direct peer/influence. This little stage antic...not so much. talk about making a mountain out of a freaking molehill... smfh Who is making it a mountain? The slobbering media? Or those reacting to it? I was there in the floor. My ticket was 90 euros. No dynamic pricing here in Spain. I was actually there. It was a very low profile thing, initially I only recognised Patti. Bruce only mentioned her, not the others And let me tell you: nobody cared. We were too busy dancing, jumping, screaming and having a great time. It was a very good show. Kitty's Back, Shuffle, Promised Land, Backstreets, Badlands and Thunder Road. I had seen them all before, but they were AMAZING on Friday. Now, I am going back later tonight. We'll see what happens. The only sure thing is that someone sitting on a laptop many miles from here will write that it wasn't good for some weird reason. This is probably unfair, but I always felt Patti was there to keep Bruce on the straight and narrow. That is, to prevent him from tom cattin’ and indulging in the prerogatives of a big time rock star. Now that Bruce is pushing 75, that might not be so urgent a need. Unfair perhaps, but I’m sure I’m not the first to say it. People are upset that Michelle sang back-up on one song? LMAO About 70% of the Bruce shows I've seen in North Carolina have featured the guest appearance of "cousin Frankie." AKA Bruce's real-life cousin, Frankie, a nondescript white guy who gets up there and strums inaudibly on a couple songs. Unlike Michelle Obama, Bruce would always introduce cousin Frankie. Unlike Michelle Obama, absolutely no one raised a stink that Bruce had a special guest on stage who wasn't a world-famous musician. People get really upset about stupid things these days. Unless you go to concerts to get away from politics. "Elitism" is a creation of pseudo-populists who themselves have generally had a great deal of money and have been educated in "elite" institutions. They lay claim to the notion that a liberal elite (of which Springsteen, the Obamas, and the Speilbergs are most certainly card-carrying members) exerts undo control over American culture, oppressing Johnny from the auto plant and all the good average folks like him. Springsteen is a particular target because he doesn't exclusively write (honest) songs about being a multi-millionaire rock star dripping in privilege, but recalls the socioeconomic status of his youth, or, shockingly, writes songs from other people's perspectives, taking on fictional personas as a narrator (even someone with "work clothes", the hypocrite). Of course my post is "elitist" too. I'm quite impressed how you have accomplished the neat trick of simultaneously claiming that "elitism" is a mere creation of "pseudo-populists" while admitting that there is a liberal elite of which Obama, Springsteen and Spielberg are certainly members while also denying that a hugely successful and influential film director , a once-popular yet still influential rock star, and a former President of the United States ( whose Vice President is the current President) don't exert undo influence over American culture. Nice. Almost as impressive is your lampooning of those you disagree with as " Johnny from the auto plant" while also asserting Bruce's artistic prerogative to "write songs from other people's ( that is "Johnny from the auto plant"-- who you clearly disdain) perspective." We have certain posters here who brook no dissent from the party line. What part of “They lay claim …” did you not understand? If you didn’t comprehend that part of what I wrote, the “card carrying member” part should have given it away, since no one literally carries a membership card in “The Elite”, or do you think they do? How you infer my disdain for auto plant workers I cannot begin to guess at. I did find your last line entertaining, seeing as you accused me of being “dismissive” in a previous post. LOL. Can you stop quoting a portion of my post out of context now? It's actually pretty funny that those of us who knew it was an act from day one are now the ones being accused of believing the myth. It's like all those pedantic folks who still feel the need to point out--as if they're the first ones to say it--"you know, " Born in the USA" is not a patriotic song." I have no problems with Bruce. He's a decent enough fellow I suppose. I don't care about his politics. Some of my best friends are liberal. It's the noise that accompanies him, and I'm not talking about the music. Given forum rules, that's all I can say. No one shovels more fertilizer for a living than the coastal elites. Bruce is a social joke...his best music was his early stuff for me. Now he's got tickets that are not worth the digital imprint on your phone or the fraudulent amount you paid for it to see this slack show. He has himself, Nils, Steve Van Idiot who cannot keep his trap shut on guitar....and his wife also playing guitar...4 guitars...cmon one or two of you should be able to handle it...well I regress....not a real guitar player in the bunch. but the worst thing I saw is Michelle Obama on the stage singing....or trying to sing......Bruce does not even need to speak we get your tired and weak message.....he lost me years ago when he started getting so into the politics and so out of the music.....been years since a good record or show....give me Born To Run Tour.....that was some great music! You know you are successful and elite when the government recognizes you and puts that medal around your neck in the White House....yes a trophy for all who participate in making the nation succeed a true working class hero.....Bruce a hero? a hero? a medal? I think that sort of honor is for real heroes who accomplished something and gave their lives for a cause for country, soldiers sailors airmen....not some guy with diamond earrings charging an arm and a leg to hear his music!!!!!! Kind of foolish and sappy....Joe sniffed his hair I think!!!! The MC5 got recognized by the government too back in the day.....local state national governments FBI and CIA....for daring to be different.....harassed to death......now they give you a medal for it....times have changed haven't they? JMO Think Bruce needs to borrow a bra from Patti. Put it away man.
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Post by gobshite on May 1, 2023 17:54:34 GMT
^^^
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Post by cockledge on May 1, 2023 18:06:54 GMT
Yeah, their undo influence also makes you poat like a jackass! (Who dat, human riff?)
JoeF is a schmuck.
BOW DOWN TO MY NIPPLES!
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Post by gobshite on May 1, 2023 18:11:28 GMT
I should have quoted better. It's JoeF, condensed from My Avatar's batch of quotes. But looks like RayS dropped one too
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Post by respiratoryproblems on May 1, 2023 18:46:26 GMT
They’re trying to make themselves angry by dissecting the menu where these Elites had dinner.
They are fucked in the head.
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