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Mar 5, 2023 20:07:13 GMT
Post by sₚⲁᵣₖydₒg on Mar 5, 2023 20:07:13 GMT
Ultimate Classic Rock: Hear Long-Lost Extended 8-Track Versions of Two Rolling Stones Hits, Dudes
The limitations of the long-gone 8-track cartridge format caused headaches for artists and engineers. One band that bravely tried to find a solution was the Rolling Stones – even though Mick Jagger had no time for the cartridge system.
Their 8-track version of their 1978 album Some Girls featured a different running order from the editions released on vinyl and cassette, and later CD. It also contained three cuts that, until the internet era, were never heard anywhere else. Opener "Miss You" was around 50 seconds longer than the standard version, "Beast of Burden" was about 40 seconds longer and closer "Shattered" was around 60 seconds shorter.
Former Atlantic producer and engineer Barry Diament explained some of the challenges in a 2007 forum post, and also revealed Jagger's feelings about the looping cartridge that kept playing until it changed from one pair of stereo tracks to the next. "[M]ost (?) companies just put the program onto the cartridge without consideration for the fact that songs would be interrupted," Diament wrote. "I remember riding in my cousin's car, listening to the Allman Brothers at the Fillmore, being jarred by the sudden stop in the music..."
He added: "The 'solution' my bosses came up with... was to first re-sequence the album, trying to get as close as possible to four equal length programs by having some songs go across the end of loop track switch points.
“Rather than have the abrupt cutoff of music, followed by the abrupt return, they wanted me to fade the song (wherever in the song we happened to be) and fade up, across the same 10 seconds or so that faded out at the end of the previous pair of tracks.”
He went on to recall his encounter with Sir Jagger, saying: "I was working on an 8-track for a Coasters 'best of' ... Mick Jagger, who was in the studio at the time with the Stones, walked into the room. We talked a bit about the Coasters and what great music they made. Then we talked about 8-tracks. Mick said something like, 'Anyone that buys an 8-track deserves whatever they get, pal.'" Then Jagger slowly backed away and suddenly ran out of the room.
The limitations of the long-gone 8-track cartridge format caused headaches for artists and engineers. One band that bravely tried to find a solution was the Rolling Stones – even though Mick Jagger had no time for the cartridge system.
Their 8-track version of their 1978 album Some Girls featured a different running order from the editions released on vinyl and cassette, and later CD. It also contained three cuts that, until the internet era, were never heard anywhere else. Opener "Miss You" was around 50 seconds longer than the standard version, "Beast of Burden" was about 40 seconds longer and closer "Shattered" was around 60 seconds shorter.
Former Atlantic producer and engineer Barry Diament explained some of the challenges in a 2007 forum post, and also revealed Jagger's feelings about the looping cartridge that kept playing until it changed from one pair of stereo tracks to the next. "[M]ost (?) companies just put the program onto the cartridge without consideration for the fact that songs would be interrupted," Diament wrote. "I remember riding in my cousin's car, listening to the Allman Brothers at the Fillmore, being jarred by the sudden stop in the music..."
He added: "The 'solution' my bosses came up with... was to first re-sequence the album, trying to get as close as possible to four equal length programs by having some songs go across the end of loop track switch points.
“Rather than have the abrupt cutoff of music, followed by the abrupt return, they wanted me to fade the song (wherever in the song we happened to be) and fade up, across the same 10 seconds or so that faded out at the end of the previous pair of tracks.”
He went on to recall his encounter with Sir Jagger, saying: "I was working on an 8-track for a Coasters 'best of' ... Mick Jagger, who was in the studio at the time with the Stones, walked into the room. We talked a bit about the Coasters and what great music they made. Then we talked about 8-tracks. Mick said something like, 'Anyone that buys an 8-track deserves whatever they get, pal.'" Then Jagger slowly backed away and suddenly ran out of the room.
