wildstar's sources are reality
Oct 4, 2017 19:02:33 GMT
Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Oct 4, 2017 19:02:33 GMT
wildstar said:
So Ringo should have had two songs released from the AHDN sessions (album and LTS EP) while George only had one?Ringo was covered - he got his one song (which appeared on the EP). It was George who was shortchanged of his customary second song - only one on the LP and nothing on the EP. The day before starting their world tour Ringo collapsed during a morning photoshoot and was hospitalized. Because of this their scheduled final recording session that afternoon to complete the LP/EP became instead an audition session for Ringo's temporary replacement.
My assumption (and I expect Lewisohn's next book - which comes out sometime between 2020-2022 - will verify this) is that 'I Call Your Name' was meant for the album, and they were meant to record a George sung cover for the EP on the abandoned final day of recording, giving him his customary two songs per album sessions (1 on the LP and one on the EP) to Ringo's one song per album session (on the EP).
Since circumstances made them one song short, they could either duplicate one song over both the EP and LP, or shortchange the LP by one song (which they did). I don't think shortchanging the EP by one song would have worked, as it wouldn't really be an EP anymore, but rather a single with two B-Sides.
There were two ways to go for choosing which song to bump off the album/add to the EP. The EP had one vocal from each member other than George and had all cover songs (assuming my assumption is true that George was meant to record a cover on that aborted final day of recording). So for the concept of the EP to still make sense, they could either add their cover of Billy J Kramer's cover of their song - still in effect making it an all covers EP. Or they could have bumped George's one vocal song from the album to make the EP one vocal from each of the four band members, but that couldn't happen since George's one song was on the soundtrack side of the album - and needed to stay there, so 'I Call Your Name' gets bumped to the EP to keep it all covers (even though one of the covers happened to be a song that was the Beatles covering someone else covering The Beatles (or more specifically The Beatles covering someone else covering Lennon/McCartney).
slane said:
They weren't 'a song short' on AHDN. In fact, they included one more song (13 rather than just 12) than was reported in the music papers at the time.wildstar said:
PPM - 14 songsWTB - 14 songs
AHDN - 13 songs
BFS - 14 songs
Help - 14 songs
Rubber Soul - 14 songs
Revolver - 14 songs
Sensing a pattern?
slane said:
Anyway, there's no evidence that AHDN was ever meant to have 14 songs. But there are contemporary reports about there being between 8 and 12 songs planned for inclusion on the LP at different stages. In the end we got 13 songs. I'm going with the 1964 music paper reports rather than any retrospective 'making it neat' idea.wildstar said:
Who were the sources given for those contemporary tabloid music magazine reports that I'm supposed to take as gospel? A Beatle? George Martin? Hurricane Smith?slane said:
EMI. Or I could believe you instead...wildstar said:
Or you can believe reality - 13 songs were included - not 12!...and none of them were "oldies" (from prev albums) etc...
Plus why did they have a recording session (that needed to be abandoned) booked for that last day?
Was it booked specifically NOT to record anything?
slane said:
2/28/64: "The Beatles' next single is called 'Can't Buy Me Love', and will be issued on March 20. The disc couples two more Paul McCartney-John Lennon compositions - the flipside is 'You Can't Do That'." - New Musical Express2/29/64: "They will make five or six recordings for the film and an LP will be released around August, when we expect the film to be showing." - Brian Epstein, Disc Weekly
2/29/64: "It is likely the Beatles' new single will be a song from their new film. It will definitely be another John Lennon/Paul McCartney composition." - George Martin, Melody Maker
3/13/64: "I learned several things about the Beatles' next record - both the 'A' side, 'Can't Buy Me Love", and its coupling 'You Can't Do That', WILL be included in the film." - Chris Hutchins, New Musical Express
4/24/64: "Last Thursday, the Beatles recorded the title song for the film. John and Paul wrote the song soon after deciding on the picture's title. There will now be an LP from the film. It will include the eight songs and soundtrack music, and will be issued about the end of June." - New Musical Express
6/5/64: "The Beatles spent most of Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday afternoons and evenings in the recording studios waxing their next single - a non-film title which will be issued early next month." - New Musical Express
6/5/64: "Although Wednesday was set aside for recording, Ringo's illness will not delay release of the Beatles' next single - due out early next month. Tracks had been completed and the Wednesday sessions were scheduled for vocal dual-tracking only." - New Musical Express
6/5/64: "After tremendous demand, EMI has decided to issue a Beatles EP featuring Paul McCartney's version of 'Long Tall Sally' on June 19. Also included will be Ringo's version of the Carl Perkins number 'Matchbox', the Lennon-McCartney composition 'I Call Your Name" and 'Slow Down'." - New Musical Express
6/12/64: "In view of the release next Friday of the Beatles' Long Tall Sally EP - reported in last week's NME - recording manager George Martin has decided to issue the film song 'A Hard Day's Night' as their next single on July 10. In addition to seven so far unreleased songs, the film album is likely to include five of the Beatles' former hits, including 'She Loves You', 'I Wanna Be Your Man', 'Don't Bother Me', 'All My Loving', and their most recent 'Can't Buy Me Love'. The new songs on the LP are 'Hard Day's Night', 'I Should Have Known Better', 'And I Love Her', 'If I Fell', 'Tell Me Why', 'I'll Cry Instead', and 'I'm Happy Just To Dance With You'." - New Musical Express
6/13/64: "And 'I'll Cry Instead' - Originally 'Can't Buy Me Love' was going to be featured twice during the film, but I thought a new song would be better for the second spot, and the boys came up with this. It's another good up-tempo number and features George on twelve string guitar." - George Martin, Disc Weekly
6/19/64: "The Beatles' soundtrack LP will not, after all, include several old numbers. Instead, they have recorded four new titles specially for the album. The LP now includes the seven new film songs listed in last week's NME ("I'll Cry Instead" has been cut from the film, but is still on the album) and one solitary oldie "Can't Buy Me Love" - in addition to the four bonus tracks." - New Musical Express
wildstar said:
Firstly almost none of those are sourced - and most of them - as history tells us - are incorrect, so....slane said:
How are they incorrect? What are your sources?wildstar said:
Are you saying everything that was reported actually happened (12 song album including oldies), or that the reports don't contradict each other?I'd say my sources are reality.
They booked a recording session that was abandoned due to Ringo's illness. that's a FACT not in dispute.
The resulting album had one less song than every other album from the prior year and next 3 years.
Just a wild coincidence then?
I guess every band books recording time specifically to NOT record anything.
Happens all the time right?
slane said:
No, the 12 song album with oldies didn't happen - it was an early plan. As was the 8 song album plus incidental music (which did happen in the US).So, you don't have any sources apart from 'reality'? I'm done.
wildstar said:
I trust reality more than a bunch of unsourced self-contradictory BS reported in the music tabloids of the day.man in the moon said:
How much more sourced can those fully referenced dated quotes from actual contemporary music publications attributed to specific people actually be?You can't ask for sources, receive a whole page full and then say none of those are sourced! It's the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going lalalahla when someone says something you don't like.