bradman
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Post by bradman on Jun 25, 2019 20:07:39 GMT
I shouldn't be surprised at the cluelessness over why the thread was moved. The surprise is that it still exists. Perhaps the Andy Zax stuff needs to be requoted for effect.
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Post by ledzeppelin2rl on Jun 30, 2019 2:32:31 GMT
Didn't Audio Fidelity do a remaster of the first Asia album? According to the New York Times the master tape for that album has been missing for some time says a member of the band. I wonder what source they used.
Audio Fidelity reissued Asia 1st album in 2010. Remastered by Kevin Gray
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Post by gobshite on Jun 30, 2019 2:41:30 GMT
Didn't Audio Fidelity do a remaster of the first Asia album? According to the New York Times the master tape for that album has been missing for some time says a member of the band. I wonder what source they used. Audio Fidelity reissued Asia 1st album in 2010. Remastered by Kevin Gray Chuck Berry ... Coltrane ... whatever. But now I am pissed off.
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bradman
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Post by bradman on Jun 30, 2019 3:52:56 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if AF used the original CD as the base for that reissue.
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Post by ledzeppelin2rl on Jun 30, 2019 4:22:11 GMT
The slip case on the AF CD says its mastered from the original master tapes. The fire was in 2008. The remaster was issued in 2010. Looks like they did not have the original master tape. If this was mastered by anybody other than AF, those nitwits over there would be loosing their minds now.
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Post by daved on Jun 30, 2019 8:24:08 GMT
You mean I’ll never hear that shitty synth opening to Only Time Will Tell in all its audiphool glory?
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Jun 30, 2019 11:43:17 GMT
Does anyone really put any stock in the "remastered from the original master tapes" spiel? By "anyone," I mean everyone but the people who buy this stuff. I find the entire claim strange. Because, well, what else would it be from? I'm not talking about a Pebbles compilation either. I am saying, does anyone really doubt that the $5 Boston or Guns N Roses CD hillbillies pick up at the Walmart isn't mastered from a fucking master tape? Just as the 1000th pressing using worn stampers and recycled vinyl of Rumours was also sourced from a master tape. Big deal. The claim is so obvious it shouldn't even bear mentioning, so whenever anyone starts to brag about "using the original master tape" as an exclusive, elite feature, I begin to wonder if their claim is in fact actually spurious. It's a ridiculous marketing tool, more vague and useless than the old SPARS code thing. Yeah, Hoffman built a career (if you can call having 30 senile dimwits on an internet forum thinking you are the bees knees for mastering a third-tier Alice Cooper album a "career") on talking himself up as some sort of Sherlock Holmes of vault digging, using his special, mysterious detective instincts to "find the right tape." Unlike those 30 classic rock-loving MAGA SHites, your average 5 year old would see right through his bullshit obscurantist act. I guess this is a roundabout way of saying that bradman probably has it right. I find it to very rarely be a relevant piece of information. One of the few times it was worth noting was on the Chris Wood box set Evening Blue. Every single recording has the source listed. For Wood's unreleased album, the source was important as the previous CD claiming to be an approximation of his lost album was taken from higher gen sources, and not necessarily the mixes or versions he intended on. The new box had the actual reels with the submitted running order. And then the sources for the other discs of his work with Traffic and other artists were also worth noting, as with Traffic they were made from the masters and not cloned from the in-print Island CDs. And for a select few tracks they did admit to copying them from a "lesser" source as that was all that was available.
Beyond that, I guess it goes along with the idea that early CDs were not from the master tapes? At this point, I think the only thing worth noting is when something isn't from the master tapes. And I've seen notes like that too. And they read as far more believable than any of STeVE's masturing tales. "Hey, here are some single edits/mixes. We couldn't find the masters and they probably don't exist. Enjoy."
Now, to get kinda shitey, there was a singles set of Jay & The Americans, and it featured their cover of Traffic's Shanghai Noodle Factory, released before Traffic's version. Apparently an anomaly on the set, it sounds fucking awful. So then I compared it to a youtube video made from the vinyl. Turns out they also must have copied and pasted different sections to recreate the song. I mean, between that and the shit sound quality, there is no reason why they couldn't just use a clean vinyl rip. But no matter. I just took one of the ones off of youtube and it does the job.
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Post by sₚⲁᵣₖydₒg on Jun 30, 2019 14:49:40 GMT
Now, to get kinda shitey, there was a singles set of Jay & The Americans, and it featured their cover of Traffic's Shanghai Noodle Factory, released before Traffic's version. Apparently an anomaly on the set, it sounds fucking awful. So then I compared it to a youtube video made from the vinyl. Turns out they also must have copied and pasted different sections to recreate the song. I mean, between that and the shit sound quality, there is no reason why they couldn't just use a clean vinyl rip. But no matter. I just took one of the ones off of youtube and it does the job.
I'm not sure if he was involved with this or what -- Hoofy posted this typo'd concept art before the CD's release for some reason. It all got Gorted when the laff-fest about the misspelling started. I felt truly blessed by saving this before it got deleted. Heh.
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Jun 30, 2019 16:17:28 GMT
Now, to get kinda shitey, there was a singles set of Jay & The Americans, and it featured their cover of Traffic's Shanghai Noodle Factory, released before Traffic's version. Apparently an anomaly on the set, it sounds fucking awful. So then I compared it to a youtube video made from the vinyl. Turns out they also must have copied and pasted different sections to recreate the song. I mean, between that and the shit sound quality, there is no reason why they couldn't just use a clean vinyl rip. But no matter. I just took one of the ones off of youtube and it does the job.
I'm not sure if he was involved with this or what -- Hoofy posted this typo'd concept art before the CD's release for some reason. It all got Gorted when the laff-fest about the misspelling started. I felt truly blessed by saving this before it got deleted. Heh.
AFAIK Shanghai Noodle Factory was the only defective track. But then that's the only song I downloaded it for anyway.
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Post by jqw on Jul 2, 2019 15:52:09 GMT
Does anyone really put any stock in the "remastered from the original master tapes" spiel? By "anyone," I mean everyone but the people who buy this stuff. I've got CDs on Atlantic with a similar spiel on the back cover that are obvious vinyl rips.
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Post by braindead on Jul 2, 2019 18:43:15 GMT
I shouldn't be surprised at the cluelessness over why the thread was moved. The surprise is that it still exists. Perhaps the Andy Zax stuff needs to be requoted for effect. Oh yes please.
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Post by krabapple on Jul 6, 2019 2:24:18 GMT
Anyone want to guess what Zax was referring to here, in his 2014 talk?
" So they do stupid things because they don’t know any better--like sourcing a prestigious, El Giganto, hyper-deluxe reissue of one of the most famous records ever made from some CD-Rs of 192k MP3s that someone in the office sent directly to a manufacturing plant without mastering (remember what I told you about mastering?) because hey, it sounded fine on a laptop., and what’s mastering, anyway? "
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Post by essayceedee on Jul 6, 2019 15:17:18 GMT
I’ve read in multiple places that many of the bonus tracks on the “super deluxe” UMG reissues of the last few years are mp3-sourced. I have no idea if that’s inside information or just from some underinformed dipshit looking at spectral analyses.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 15:33:31 GMT
I seem to remember Phil Collins saying that some of the bonus materials for his reissues were sourced from YouTube and/or mp3 but this was because he wanted to include and could not find the original source materials. Plus, unlike the residents of Hoofyville, I see bonus material as just that: bonus materials. As long as the original albums sound good enough to listen to then I don’t care what the bonus stuff sounds like. I barely ever listen to bonus stuff outside of once or twice ever.
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Jul 6, 2019 18:05:52 GMT
Even the Beatles used a glitchy rip of the Penny Lane trumpet single apparently taken from the web.
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