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Post by My Avatar Is A Hot Babe on Dec 15, 2017 18:27:20 GMT
Did any artist have as many good unreleased (at the time) as The Monkees?So many good songs were on those 3 CDs of rarities (plus a few clunkers). Just wondering if anybody else had the volume of GOOD songs that sat in the vaults for years. The Ronettes come to mind. The Beach Boys spring to my mind. Definitely the Beach Boys and Dylan come to mind here. Hasil Adkins leaps to mind.
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Post by antiram on Dec 15, 2017 19:14:20 GMT
I would have a very hard time filling a CD with good released songs by the Monkees. For every "Porpoise Song" there are four "Shades of Grey"
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Post by AnalogRearEnd on Dec 15, 2017 21:50:59 GMT
Must be awesome living in that bubble.
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Post by hugofuguzev on Dec 16, 2017 6:41:39 GMT
Seriously, what is with some of these guys and their wholly unnatural obsession with the goddamn Monkees?! The Monkees sucked in 1967 and nothing has changed fifty years later!
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Post by Boozin' Susan on Dec 16, 2017 11:24:37 GMT
Seriously, what is with some of these guys and their wholly unnatural obsession with the goddamn Monkees?! The Monkees sucked in 1967 and nothing has changed fifty years later! Yes, their obsession is weird. But, so is Stereo Central's obsession with bitching about the SHites' obsession of the Monkees. (Truth be told.) The Monkees put out some decent late-60's pop (and, yes, some absolute shit). Their TV show was something I enjoyed as a kid after school. (And I'd much rather listen to Micky Dolenz singing a Carole King track like...well any of the tunes she co-wrote for the group, than "heavy" crap like Jetho Tull's "Aqualung" (which I only just experienced the other day).) Sure, most of the Monkee-worshiping threads over there are embarassing. But, I often think that Stereo Central's pre-occupation with slamming a 50-year-old made-for-TV group is just as head-scratching. –SHite mode on– As I wrote above, Dolenz always sang the Carole King tunes well. You might think this sucks, but I don't. –SHite mode off–
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Dec 16, 2017 12:15:53 GMT
Seriously, what is with some of these guys and their wholly unnatural obsession with the goddamn Monkees?! The Monkees sucked in 1967 and nothing has changed fifty years later! Yes, their obsession is weird. But, so is Stereo Central's obsession with bitching about the SHites' obsession of the Monkees. (Truth be told.) The Monkees put out some decent late-60's pop (and, yes, some absolute shit). Their TV show was something I enjoyed as a kid after school. (And I'd much rather listen to Micky Dolenz singing a Carole King track like...well any of the tunes she co-wrote for the group, than "heavy" crap like Jetho Tull's "Aqualung" (which I only just experienced the other day).) Sure, most of the Monkee-worshiping threads over there are embarassing. But, I often think that Stereo Central's pre-occupation with slamming a 50-year-old made-for-TV group is just as head-scratching. –SHite mode on– As I wrote above, Dolenz always sang the Carole King tunes well. You might think this sucks, but I don't. –SHite mode off– I didn't know King co-wrote Monkees tunes and now it makes a lot more sense why Mickey Dolenz did an album of Carole King covers.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Dec 16, 2017 12:23:39 GMT
Its the forensic and obsessive manner with which the SHites go about analysing every aspect of the Monkees career that happened 50 years ago is what annoys me more than their music, some of which is ok pop music. I used to have their greatest hits on cassette as a kid. Did not dislike it but got tired of it very quickly.
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Post by hugofuguzev on Dec 16, 2017 13:09:27 GMT
The most important music ever made, according to the SHites: 1. The Monkees 2. The Moody Blues 3. Olivia Newton-John 4. Jethro Tull 5. Paul McCartney & Wings 6. The Archies 7. David Cassidy 8. Michael Nesmith and the First National Band 9. The James Gang 10. The Osmonds You think I am being flippant, per usual, but this is precisely what any impartial observer who took followed the first ten pages of the SH.tv music forum over the course of 2017 would conclude. I know...scary, isn't it? Not one of those acts have done anything even remotely artistically relevant in at least thirty years. Longer than that, in most cases.
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Post by hugofuguzev on Dec 16, 2017 13:13:21 GMT
Seriously, what is with some of these guys and their wholly unnatural obsession with the goddamn Monkees?! The Monkees sucked in 1967 and nothing has changed fifty years later! Yes, their obsession is weird. But, so is Stereo Central's obsession with bitching about the SHites' obsession of the Monkees. (Truth be told.) True. I just can't wrap my head around the general SHiTE obsession with The Monkees, though. Beatles I can understand, sort of. But has been third rate acts like The Monkees, I don't get it. Their Terry Kath obsession is another one I don't get- the dude was a good guitarist but, Jesus Christ, he wasn't that fuckin' good! Certainly not worth drooling over fourty years after the dumbass blew his own brains out.
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Post by AnalogRearEnd on Dec 17, 2017 0:50:29 GMT
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Post by jeatletoes on Dec 17, 2017 0:52:41 GMT
The most important music ever made, according to the SHites: 1. The Monkees 2. The Moody Blues 3. Olivia Newton-John 4. Jethro Tull 5. Paul McCartney & Wings 6. The Archies 7. David Cassidy 8. Michael Nesmith and the First National Band 9. The James Gang 10. The Osmonds You think I am being flippant, per usual, but this is precisely what any impartial observer who took followed the first ten pages of the SH.tv music forum over the course of 2017 would conclude. I never realized how many Monkees and ONJ fans there were out there until I was on that forum.
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Post by hugofuguzev on Dec 18, 2017 5:51:58 GMT
I have come to the conclusion that the SHites do not really listen to the music of the Beatles. Their interest in the Beatles is pretty much confined to collating matrix numbers and speculating when Paul is going to have an ale with his old mate Pete. Not to mention endless battles over who is the biggest "Beatles Insider" on the forum. But yeah, the actual music is secondary for most SHiTES.
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Post by antiram on Dec 19, 2017 5:42:20 GMT
Seriously, what is with some of these guys and their wholly unnatural obsession with the goddamn Monkees?! The Monkees sucked in 1967 and nothing has changed fifty years later! Yes, their obsession is weird. But, so is Stereo Central's obsession with bitching about the SHites' obsession of the Monkees. (Truth be told.) The Monkees put out some decent late-60's pop (and, yes, some absolute shit). Their TV show was something I enjoyed as a kid after school. (And I'd much rather listen to Micky Dolenz singing a Carole King track like...well any of the tunes she co-wrote for the group, than "heavy" crap like Jetho Tull's "Aqualung" (which I only just experienced the other day).) Sure, most of the Monkee-worshiping threads over there are embarassing. But, I often think that Stereo Central's pre-occupation with slamming a 50-year-old made-for-TV group is just as head-scratching. –SHite mode on– As I wrote above, Dolenz always sang the Carole King tunes well. You might think this sucks, but I don't. I don't hate the Monkees either. I will even go so far as to say that Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones Ltd is, song-for-song, better than any album by Donovan, The Turtles, the Lovin' Spoonful, or the Beau Brummels, to name several pop acts of the era that enjoy moderate respect. The Head movie was a valiant effort, and they have some singles and stuff that are tuneful enough. However, I have also seen their rehabilitation, from forgotten bubblegum band in the late 70's, to a band that is studied on a level usually reserved for the Beatles and Dylan. While it was wrong to dismiss them in the 70's, when they obviously had some good enduring songs, it was also wrong to turn them into one of The Great Bands of the 1960's, which simply isn't supported by the evidence. Half of their songs are very twee and silly, and only something a 12-year-old or a SHite can dig. The rest are ok I guess. The Peter Tork song you linked is one I always found the snooziest in the film. There is nothing wrong with it, but it just pales in comparison to so many other 60's songs. The fact that it is a career highlight of sorts for Tork bespeaks of how weak his material usually was. Just because Carole King wrote the songs for your album, doesn't mean you have a great album. Aside from Tapestry (which is near the top of my overrated list), none of her own albums is much to listen to. So, the Monkees got good songs, fair songs, and substandard songs from their stable. When the Beatards, who had run out of Beatles recordings to hoard, discovered the Monkees, I had to remove myself. Not because I thought the Monkees sucked, but just because they didn't deserve such intense scrutiny. What sense is there in listening to three discs of studio outtakes from a band that almost never played as a band in the studio? Their revival showed up just how devoid of real talent the Monkees were. Their 80's studio album rendered their input to virtually nothing; they were irrelevant to their own record. It could have been anyone's record. Their 90's album, which they mainly did themselves, is remarkably amatuerish. The new one is OK I guess if you are a fan, but again; it is the songwriters and autotune that shines, not the Monkees themselves. There is no band at their core, no shared musical vision. They are full of air. However, my point is not to critique them. If you are a fan, that's fine. I like some stupid music too; somewhere else here I admitted, without any provocation, to liking some of Uriah Heep's work. That is just as dumb as liking the Monkees. Any real music fan is this way; they like what they like, no shame in it. What there is shame in is being a 55 year old man and getting all goosebumpy over pushing the "buy" button at Amazon on some box set or something, and then reporting to other 55-year-old men how goosebumpy it made him feel. There is shame in equating the Monkees with the Beatles too; it suggest a lack of aesthetic discernment and a lack of understanding of how music is made. (Not that being a Beatles fan is any better; very little aesthetic discernment among Beatles fans too) It isn't a hipster thing. It's not that my bands are cooler than your bands. If you told me the Monkees are good because they released a lot of good songs, I would be willing to accept that judgment without quarrel, even if we disagree what makes something "good" I think everyone at Stereo Central is into music and has their own favorites. It is a dreary person who isn't into music on some level. But watching old men act like teenyboppers or hi-fallutin' musicologists is funny, when those same old men think they are the ultimate arbiters of taste. So nothin' against the Monkees themselves, may they keep touring until the last Monkee is left. But seeing SHites spend 50 pages analyzing Changes? That is funny. For Susan:
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Post by Boozin' Susan on Dec 19, 2017 7:50:51 GMT
Yes, their obsession is weird. But, so is Stereo Central's obsession with bitching about the SHites' obsession of the Monkees. (Truth be told.) The Monkees put out some decent late-60's pop (and, yes, some absolute shit). Their TV show was something I enjoyed as a kid after school. (And I'd much rather listen to Micky Dolenz singing a Carole King track like...well any of the tunes she co-wrote for the group, than "heavy" crap like Jetho Tull's "Aqualung" (which I only just experienced the other day).) Sure, most of the Monkee-worshiping threads over there are embarassing. But, I often think that Stereo Central's pre-occupation with slamming a 50-year-old made-for-TV group is just as head-scratching. –SHite mode on– As I wrote above, Dolenz always sang the Carole King tunes well. You might think this sucks, but I don't. I don't hate the Monkees either. I will even go so far as to say that Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones Ltd is, song-for-song, better than any album by Donovan, The Turtles, the Lovin' Spoonful, or the Beau Brummels, to name several pop acts of the era that enjoy moderate respect. The Head movie was a valiant effort, and they have some singles and stuff that are tuneful enough. However, I have also seen their rehabilitation, from forgotten bubblegum band in the late 70's, to a band that is studied on a level usually reserved for the Beatles and Dylan. While it was wrong to dismiss them in the 70's, when they obviously had some good enduring songs, it was also wrong to turn them into one of The Great Bands of the 1960's, which simply isn't supported by the evidence. Half of their songs are very twee and silly, and only something a 12-year-old or a SHite can dig. The rest are ok I guess. The Peter Tork song you linked is one I always found the snooziest in the film. There is nothing wrong with it, but it just pales in comparison to so many other 60's songs. The fact that it is a career highlight of sorts for Tork bespeaks of how weak his material usually was. Just because Carole King wrote the songs for your album, doesn't mean you have a great album. Aside from Tapestry (which is near the top of my overrated list), none of her own albums is much to listen to. So, the Monkees got good songs, fair songs, and substandard songs from their stable. When the Beatards, who had run out of Beatles recordings to hoard, discovered the Monkees, I had to remove myself. Not because I thought the Monkees sucked, but just because they didn't deserve such intense scrutiny. What sense is there in listening to three discs of studio outtakes from a band that almost never played as a band in the studio? Their revival showed up just how devoid of real talent the Monkees were. Their 80's studio album rendered their input to virtually nothing; they were irrelevant to their own record. It could have been anyone's record. Their 90's album, which they mainly did themselves, is remarkably amatuerish. The new one is OK I guess if you are a fan, but again; it is the songwriters and autotune that shines, not the Monkees themselves. There is no band at their core, no shared musical vision. They are full of air. However, my point is not to critique them. If you are a fan, that's fine. I like some stupid music too; somewhere else here I admitted, without any provocation, to liking some of Uriah Heep's work. That is just as dumb as liking the Monkees. Any real music fan is this way; they like what they like, no shame in it. What there is shame in is being a 55 year old man and getting all goosebumpy over pushing the "buy" button at Amazon on some box set or something, and then reporting to other 55-year-old men how goosebumpy it made him feel. There is shame in equating the Monkees with the Beatles too; it suggest a lack of aesthetic discernment and a lack of understanding of how music is made. (Not that being a Beatles fan is any better; very little aesthetic discernment among Beatles fans too) It isn't a hipster thing. It's not that my bands are cooler than your bands. If you told me the Monkees are good because they released a lot of good songs, I would be willing to accept that judgment without quarrel, even if we disagree what makes something "good" I think everyone at Stereo Central is into music and has their own favorites. It is a dreary person who isn't into music on some level. But watching old men act like teenyboppers or hi-fallutin' musicologists is funny, when those same old men think they are the ultimate arbiters of taste. So nothin' against the Monkees themselves, may they keep touring until the last Monkee is left. But seeing SHites spend 50 pages analyzing Changes? That is funny. For Susan: Yeah, this is largely correct (except that Dolenz sang "As We Go Along", not Tork). The whole SHite worship that goes on for any group is embarrassing. But, I was just commenting on a observation that (for whatever reason) the denizens of Stereo Central have long seemed to have some sort of compulsion to constantly point out how the Monkees sucked. It just had seemed like a perfect mirror-image of the SHites' blind devotion – and just as automatic and just as full-throated. I tend not to laugh at other people's taste in music, because I know my own tastes would likely get ridiculed. And there are MANY cringe-inducing threads over there. The "Changes" appreciation one you mentioned comes to mind, as do most of the head-scratchers dedicated to the Beatles. It was just my opinion that constantly harping about a made-for-TV fake band sucking was veering dangerously close to SHite territory itself. (Now, back to the regularly-scheduled snark.)
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