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Post by krabapple on Sept 7, 2020 3:40:09 GMT
I can help.
If you were to pick at random from 1970s Yes, you could hardly do worse than 'Don't Kill The Whale'.
If you *had* to do worse than 'Don't kill the Whale', there's always the rest of Tormato to pick from.
It's an album even Yes thinks is shit.
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Post by respiratoryproblems on Sept 7, 2020 19:14:14 GMT
Well, how many bands of any sort have much of anything to say after three or four albums? It's a rare thing when the "spent force" syndrome is avoided. I definitely don’t want it to seem like I’m defending Yes or want to go too far down this road, because they’re clearly awful, but do have a fondness for the albums they did with Trevor Horn as lead vocalist (yeah, including that recent one where they took off the contributions from that Jon Anderson soundalike and just got Trevor Horn to sing instead), because I’m much more of a Buggles fan than a Yes fan. it at least sounds like they’re having fun compared to the unbearable few minutes I tried to listen to Tales From Topographic Oceans.
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Post by krabapple on Sept 7, 2020 19:36:38 GMT
Well, how many bands of any sort have much of anything to say after three or four albums? It's a rare thing when the "spent force" syndrome is avoided. Then again you never know. Who would have though Dylan still had a Time Out of Mind or a Love and Theft in him, after decades of meh.
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Post by slick on Sept 7, 2020 21:43:22 GMT
Three surprises today. 1)This forum exists. 2)This thread exist 3)I didn't make the list...yay? . Oh yeah...fist post!
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Post by hoofyflipflops on Sept 7, 2020 23:55:21 GMT
quicksrt sucks.
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Post by bradman on Sept 8, 2020 1:03:16 GMT
The Kinks Arista years are extremely underrated.
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Post by bradman on Sept 8, 2020 1:04:08 GMT
Three surprises today. 1)This forum exists. 2)This thread exist 3)I didn't make the list...yay? . Oh yeah...fist post! I give up, who the fuck are you? Fist post sounds like a fun evening.
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Post by mintyjackhole on Sept 8, 2020 1:05:40 GMT
The Kinks Arista years are extremely underrated. I get what COLA is saying, but also this.
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Post by Last Rock Hope on Sept 8, 2020 1:49:20 GMT
Fuck yeah. Misfits is a classic.
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Post by Boozin' Susan on Sept 8, 2020 1:51:31 GMT
Then again you never know. Who would have though Dylan still had a Time Out of Mind or a Love and Theft in him, after decades of meh. Like I said, Dylan is one of the rare cases I was talking about. How many of his peers can you say similar things about any of their work after, oh, 1969? Just think of all that embarrassing, useless heap upon heap of mindless garbage the likes of Paul McCartney, the Rolling Stones, the Beach Boys, the Kinks, et al. have spent literally decades inflicting upon their idiot audiences. All of those people had 5, 6 years, tops. Then immortality and endless trash follows. I’d cut the Stones a bit more slack as well. Most of their stuff wasn’t too bad during the 70’s (I’d go as far as Tattoo You, actually).
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Sept 8, 2020 3:28:48 GMT
Like I said, Dylan is one of the rare cases I was talking about. How many of his peers can you say similar things about any of their work after, oh, 1969? Just think of all that embarrassing, useless heap upon heap of mindless garbage the likes of Paul McCartney, the Rolling Stones, the Beach Boys, the Kinks, et al. have spent literally decades inflicting upon their idiot audiences. All of those people had 5, 6 years, tops. Then immortality and endless trash follows. I’d cut the Stones a bit more slack as well. Most of their stuff wasn’t too bad during the 70’s (I’d go as far as Tattoo You, actually). Shit, Some Girls has its reputation but Emotional Rescue might even be better. Or maybe I'm just a bit burned out on Some Girls.
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Post by respiratoryproblems on Sept 8, 2020 13:09:26 GMT
I get what COLA is saying, but also this. I personally think the RCA period is quite interesting. The Arista stuff is very uneven, and that pandering arena rock sound has not aged well. There are some decent songs to be found in those records, but a lot of forgettable by the numbers FM radio fodder as well. The day it occurred to me that "Juke Box Music" was little more than an aping of Foghat, of all things, made me think a lot less of Ray Davies. Then there is "Black Messiah" which is so offensive that it still boggles my mind that the label would release such a thing. Even by mid-1970s standards, this song is racist beyond belief. Kinks fans are remarkably silent about that one. They know there is no possible defense to mount in its favor, so they pretend it just doesn't exist. Does it surprise me that Ray Davies is a nasty Little Englander racist? Of course not. But this song makes me seriously question why I would ever bother listening to this group ever again. Was he hoping for a huge hit in apartheid South Africa? Did he obtain it? Jesus Christ. I'd never heard that before, what a horrendous song. It's not going to cause me to throw my Kinks albums in the bin, but I'm sure glad I haven't bothered to listen to anything after Muswell Hillbillies.
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Post by mintyjackhole on Sept 8, 2020 13:23:23 GMT
I get what COLA is saying, but also this. I personally think the RCA period is quite interesting. The Arista stuff is very uneven, and that pandering arena rock sound has not aged well. There are some decent songs to be found in those records, but a lot of forgettable by the numbers FM radio fodder as well. The day it occurred to me that "Juke Box Music" was little more than an aping of Foghat, of all things, made me think a lot less of Ray Davies. Then there is "Black Messiah" which is so offensive that it still boggles my mind that the label would release such a thing. Even by mid-1970s standards, this song is racist beyond belief. Kinks fans are remarkably silent about that one. They know there is no possible defense to mount in its favor, so they pretend it just doesn't exist. Does it surprise me that Ray Davies is a nasty Little Englander racist? Of course not. But this song makes me seriously question why I would ever bother listening to this group ever again. Was he hoping for a huge hit in apartheid South Africa? Did he obtain it? Holy shit that song is bad! Misfits is one of the holes in my Kinks discography, so I didn't even know about that song. Wouldn't try to defend it then or now. I guess the handful of songs I love from the Arista years I really love. I'm willing to look past the arena rock whathaveyou for the 15 odd great songs. Of course even when Dylan was wildly uneven he did so on his own terms more and with a better success rate. I'm hardly a rock hero completist, so I always have odd gaps here and there. Except for with Lou Reed, where I embarrassingly have all of it.
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Post by Mediocrates on Sept 8, 2020 14:48:27 GMT
The Kinks Arista years are extremely underrated. Kudos to Clive Davis for making Ray Davies promise not to deliver any "story" albums.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 17:48:46 GMT
Low Budget is a classic. Tons of great riffs and a great tight band. Kinks > BEATLES
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