bradman
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Post by bradman on Oct 25, 2023 0:22:02 GMT
If Peter Tork is the best musician in your group, you don't have much of a group.
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Sounds.. ago
Amy Grant
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Post by Sounds.. ago on Oct 25, 2023 1:02:38 GMT
If Peter Tork is the best musician in your group, you don't have much of a group. Let's put that in perspective... Blooz Dwarf: When I have seen Nez he basically strums while Peter can improvise solos and play more intricate finger picking parts. Like I would say on guitar I am better than Nez, about as good as Peter, and nowhere near in the same league as Stills. |
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Post by Burnie ‘ceedee’ Grungeman on Oct 25, 2023 1:22:09 GMT
Michael Nesmith played rhythm guitar very well, in time.
Blooz dwarf cannot play anything in time.
Fuck you, RFreeman.
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Post by Sounds.. ago on Oct 25, 2023 2:04:53 GMT
More from Blooz Dork:
I'd say Peter is a better all around musician than I am - we are at a similar level on guitar but he also plays bass and banjo and horn - instruments I don't play at all. And he can play classical piano at about a Jr high level while I am far more limited in my piano abilities, really playing only at a songwriter and garage band level.
I'd say neither of us is a great singer, which is why I generally work with better singers than myself and have them take most of the lead vocals - much as Peter sang very few leads on Monkees records.
As far as writing songs, I have been more prolific but he has been more successful.
Shawn calls him out:
You think you’re at the same level of guitar playing as Peter Tork? Really??? Look, I’m all for people playing to their heart’s content but I’ve seen the clips you post with your ‘pluck and pray you hit the right notes’ style of soloing so for you to make this claim is, frankly, absurd
Talentless Troll:
If you have a clip of him playing a kick ass guitar solo I'd love to hear it. I never really considered him a great lead guitar player and he never played a great guitar solo on any Monkees record unless there is one on JustUs. He does a real nice harpsichord solo on one Monkees track. Maybe The Girl I Knew Somewhere. I couldn't play that. Does some pretty good banjo too though real bluegrass players could play circles around him. Whenever I have seen the Monkees or Shoe Suede Blues they had someone else doing the hot guitar solos. I certainly can't play like the guys who played the solos on Clarksville or Valleri.
Not sure why folks want to make this thread about me but if folks really want me to post examples of my guitar playing I will find some solos I am proud of. Let me know. Probably won't get to it today.
Yes I have opinions about professional musicians, and being a semi-professional musician does not disqualify me from holding such opinions. Like even though the best I can do is strum a few chords on a banjo I can tell that Peter Tork wasn't Bela Fleck.
Andrew J:
Good on you for putting it out there, but in response to the bold above - maybe they wouldn't if
a) you didn't have a history of hijacking threads in order to plug whatever lunch time music stand circuit gig you're currently playing (i.e. making it all about you).
b) you didn't draw parallels between your band and whatever the thread topic was about
c) You put forward a more measured and realistic spin on your own abilities - these happen to be a lot different than what you're suggesting on a regular basis.
jlf (responding to freeman):
I mean that’s just ridiculous. I don’t mean to offend but Tork & co had musicality, rhythm, vocals, creativity — they could do it all and without music stands.
Barney Flubble:
Absolutely Peter had a better group of musicians playing with him in Shoe Suede Blues than I have in The Beagles. He had a big enough name to draw well enough and charge enough admission to pay professional musicians. I don't. I rely on people wanting to play with me because of my talent and drive and occasional token payments.
And as I noted, he is much better than me on piano and banjo and I don't play horn at all. The only instrument I feel I have comparable ability to him on is guitar, and I only made the comparison because I was asked how I thought we compared.
Since folks keep wanting to make this about me, here is some guitar playing I feel pretty good about - playing a song I wrote and arranged called "It Changes". I am playing the black hollow body D'Angelico guitar.
Dylancat:
This may be one of the crappiest songs in the history of ever.
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Post by mudflapslim on Oct 25, 2023 11:27:23 GMT
Needs more music stand. If there's an afterlife Peter Tork is laughing his ass off.
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Post by Boozin' Susan on Oct 25, 2023 12:03:11 GMT
The SHites teeing off on RFreeman is fantastic! Freaking hilarious!
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Post by respiratoryproblems on Oct 25, 2023 12:56:34 GMT
More from Blooz Dork: I'd say Peter is a better all around musician than I am - Given that he's using the present tense, and Peter Tork died nearly four years ago, this is actually a true statement |
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Post by halftime on Oct 25, 2023 13:27:08 GMT
If Peter Tork is the best musician in your group, you don't have much of a group. I think Tork's strength was that he could competently play a lot of different instruments. Nesmith was a good songwriter, Dolenz a good vocalist. That's my dorky post for the day. |
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Post by joe666pack on Oct 26, 2023 19:13:32 GMT
Q: Were the Dave Clark Five any good? A: Actually, all four have valid cred. Peter Tork came out of the same Greenwich Village scene as Bob Dylan, Steve Stills, Pete Seeger, John Sebastian, Mama Cass and more, plus he was a multi instrumentalist and considered the best musician in the group. Micky Dolenz was in a few bands playing guitar before the Monkees and used his acting skills to quickly learn the drums. He traveled in the same circles with the likes of Harry Nilsson, John Lennon, Ringo Starr, Keith Moon, Alice Cooper, etc, has gone on as a director and writer, performed on Broadway and is still a drawing concert performer. Davy Jones had an impressive theater career and was the original Artful Dodger in the Broadway production of Oliver, earning a Tony nomination for the role, which is a pretty big deal. He was still performing up to his untimely death. The TV show only lasted two years, but the four continued performing and recording, both group and solo, since 1966 up to the deaths of three of the members, leaving Dolenz as the sole surviving member of the group, of which he continues to carry the torch. Having written two books on The Monkees, I think I have a fairly good grasp of their history.
Omg those two books he wrote were the drizzling shits!!! I paid good money for the first one (mainly because I've always been intrigued by the 80's Monkees era, and no decent books had ever covered that era in depth before)
And it was a putrid read. Barely a sentence goes by without seeing the words "I" or "me"....
Rambling paragraphs about himself, pointless annotates, an entire chapter of Fred going to a Ringo Starr autograph signing.. Pages and pages of dull, self-important droning with no payoff at the end...
Was simply pathetic, a bad read, and I felt ripped off. I paid full price on Amazon for the ebook when it was new, thinking it was too obscure for anyone to leak (which it finally did after the fact. His second book leaked right away, and it was even worse than the first. Worse than the Christmas album he recorded)...
Oh and speaking of Fred, last night I finished reading a book by Sergio Farias entitled "Love Is Understanding: The Life and Times of Peter Tork" and seemed like, in many chapters, the author felt compelled to interject boring and unnecessary Fred-centric paragraphs for no apparent reason.
Here's one of many, many examples;
Nevertheless, the band (minus Davy) was outraged, not least because they had to buy the album in order to hear it. Peter remembered, “This second album of ours was a little irritating. Kirshner was angry with us, and he made a point of totally excluding us.”
New Yorker Fred V***z, at the tender age of eleven, wasn’t aware of the Monkees’ internal conflicts, but fate would lead him to their music. One day, in the East Village, the boy decided to take a chance at mice racing. He won, and the prize was the album More of The Monkees, which would change his life. Down the road, V***z would become quite valuable to the band.
The band’s aversion to More of The Monkees seemed less important to Don Kirshner than dismantling their mutiny and capitalizing on this phenomenal success. This being the case, he made the presentation of the gold records for More of The Monkees into a big event. He organized it in the reception area of his private bungalow at the luxurious Beverly Hills Hotel.
There was absolutely zero reason to mention Fred here. Added ZERO to the narrative, irrelevant to the topic being explored, and meaningless to the story.
FRED HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REUNION OR ANYTHING RELEVANT/IMPORTANT, AND DOES NOT BELONG ANYWHERE IN THE PAGES OF A MONKEES BIOGRAPHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Totally deluded, self-absorbed, overbearing/obnoxious sense of self, and full of shit. He really deserves a thread here, considering how often he shoehorns plugs for his books, his chintzy podcast appearances, and that "Uncle Floyd" crap...
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Post by Boozin' Susan on Oct 26, 2023 22:56:44 GMT
Q: Were the Dave Clark Five any good? A: Actually, all four have valid cred. Peter Tork came out of the same Greenwich Village scene as Bob Dylan, Steve Stills, Pete Seeger, John Sebastian, Mama Cass and more, plus he was a multi instrumentalist and considered the best musician in the group. Micky Dolenz was in a few bands playing guitar before the Monkees and used his acting skills to quickly learn the drums. He traveled in the same circles with the likes of Harry Nilsson, John Lennon, Ringo Starr, Keith Moon, Alice Cooper, etc, has gone on as a director and writer, performed on Broadway and is still a drawing concert performer. Davy Jones had an impressive theater career and was the original Artful Dodger in the Broadway production of Oliver, earning a Tony nomination for the role, which is a pretty big deal. He was still performing up to his untimely death. The TV show only lasted two years, but the four continued performing and recording, both group and solo, since 1966 up to the deaths of three of the members, leaving Dolenz as the sole surviving member of the group, of which he continues to carry the torch. Having written two books on The Monkees, I think I have a fairly good grasp of their history.
Omg those two books he wrote were the drizzling shits!!! I paid good money for the first one (mainly because I've always been intrigued by the 80's Monkees era, and no decent books had ever covered that era in depth before)
And it was a putrid read. Barely a sentence goes by without seeing the words "I" or "me"....
Rambling paragraphs about himself, pointless annotates, an entire chapter of Fred going to a Ringo Starr autograph signing.. Pages and pages of dull, self-important droning with no payoff at the end...
Was simply pathetic, a bad read, and I felt ripped off. I paid full price on Amazon for the ebook when it was new, thinking it was too obscure for anyone to leak (which it finally did after the fact. His second book leaked right away, and it was even worse than the first. Worse than the Christmas album he recorded)...
Oh and speaking of Fred, last night I finished reading a book by Sergio Farias entitled "Love Is Understanding: The Life and Times of Peter Tork" and seemed like, in many chapters, the author felt compelled to interject boring and unnecessary Fred-centric paragraphs for no apparent reason.
Here's one of many, many examples;
Nevertheless, the band (minus Davy) was outraged, not least because they had to buy the album in order to hear it. Peter remembered, “This second album of ours was a little irritating. Kirshner was angry with us, and he made a point of totally excluding us.”
New Yorker Fred V***z, at the tender age of eleven, wasn’t aware of the Monkees’ internal conflicts, but fate would lead him to their music. One day, in the East Village, the boy decided to take a chance at mice racing. He won, and the prize was the album More of The Monkees, which would change his life. Down the road, V***z would become quite valuable to the band.
The band’s aversion to More of The Monkees seemed less important to Don Kirshner than dismantling their mutiny and capitalizing on this phenomenal success. This being the case, he made the presentation of the gold records for More of The Monkees into a big event. He organized it in the reception area of his private bungalow at the luxurious Beverly Hills Hotel.
There was absolutely zero reason to mention Fred here. Added ZERO to the narrative, irrelevant to the topic being explored, and meaningless to the story.
FRED HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REUNION OR ANYTHING RELEVANT/IMPORTANT, AND DOES NOT BELONG ANYWHERE IN THE PAGES OF A MONKEES BIOGRAPHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Totally deluded, self-absorbed, overbearing/obnoxious sense of self, and full of shit. He really deserves a thread here, considering how often he shoehorns plugs for his books, his chintzy podcast appearances, and that "Uncle Floyd" crap... Yeah, but do you have a Sgt. Pepper’s uniform? |
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