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Post by System Tweak on Feb 23, 2018 19:47:21 GMT
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Mediocrates
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Post by Mediocrates on Feb 23, 2018 20:14:16 GMT
ffs
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Post by aaa-appreciator on Feb 23, 2018 20:18:47 GMT
stanlove needs to be fucked gently with a chainsaw and then he can start bitching. This is some serious middle-aged, overweight SHite shit.
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Post by Aural Relations on Feb 23, 2018 21:00:19 GMT
I sense his Facebook page is littered with memes about standing for the anthem and bible instruction in schools.
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Post by graucho on Feb 23, 2018 21:08:35 GMT
Wow, the headline of this thread really is what stanlove is saying. Just looked at a few of his other poats. He's pretty much a another of those shit for brains who doesn't realise their own lack of wit or charm (makes O Don Piano seem like Snoopy). He's pissing off a lot of Shites, and inadvertently creating some amusing moments.
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Post by rgingersoll on Feb 23, 2018 21:39:32 GMT
This is some serious middle-aged, overweight SHite shit. I am, sadly, middle-aged & overweight... but fuck this ass-hat & all of his Trumptarded kin. I dunno... But I think the thread title should be changed to read, "justice for THE blacks."
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Post by antiram on Feb 23, 2018 22:15:15 GMT
I've always considered "Hurricane" to be second-rate Dylan because its topicality limits it to its place in time and the lyrics seem too literal to hold much poetry. However, I think the song is at least loosely accurate in its depictions of what happened. The N-word verse goes like this:
The listener is supposed to be disturbed by that, but not in the way it disturbs stanlove. Whether or not Hurricane was innocent, this is how a lot of trials were run back then and still now too. One's sense of fair play and justice is supposed to be flaring up at that. These may not be Dylan's most inspired lyrics, but they do report something real.
There is no "serious debate" he was guilty? Considering he had two trials and the courts eventually set aside his convictions and ordered him released, I'd say there is there is plenty of debate. What irrefutable evidence is stanlove offering?
No, "decent people" don't stick up for the unjustly persecuted, the trampled upon, the underdog. Whatta nother fucknut this twerp is.
But the part that gets me most is how he says "I have something against him personally" Personally.
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Post by Boozin' Susan on Feb 23, 2018 23:37:30 GMT
Probably pretty SHitey of me, but I dug how Richard Linklater used "Hurricane" for this scene:
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Post by AnalogRearEnd on Feb 24, 2018 1:38:50 GMT
STeVE, these are your devoted fans.
They are Alt-Right, racist, misogynist, anti science and facts, general bigoted fucktards. And you let them go on and on.
But you ban people for questioning 12000usd phono cartridges and audiophile fucking fuses.
You must be so proud of yourself.
Fuck. You.
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Feb 24, 2018 4:50:49 GMT
Here's my view on the matter:
Dylan was not seriously standing up for Hurricane Carter.
After years of shedding his brief time as a "protest" singer, suddenly Dylan is back with a protest song? It's pretty left field, innit? But look at the rest of Desire. Full of unsavory and immoral characters. Perhaps most so in Joey. A poignant song turning Crazy Joe Gallo into a martyr. People are taking this shit seriously? Dylan was taking the piss with the whole thing. But, in a sick twist of fate, it worked. Carter did (eventually) get out.
Just a theory of course. Maybe Dylan did believe in it all. His songs did always stretch the truth a bit, because in the end he was trying to entertain more than anything else.
There's some material online painting Carter pre-murder as quite an awful fellow, far from the innocent man Dylan describes. Now, the website I read definitely looked like it was not far off from some neo-nazi bullshit, so I take it with a grain of salt, but it does make me stop and consider that perhaps the Rubin Carter of the song perhaps comes from another source. Perhaps, Dylan is basing the character in his song on Muhammad Ali. Again, Dylan playing hard and fast with the facts is not unheard of. In fact, the original lyrics had to be changed for the album lest Dylan be sued.
It's a great song, half-true or otherwise. Whatever his particular intent was with it, you can definitely read it as him advocating for justice for blacks. And you wouldn't be wrong. But I think there are more layers to it. And that a complete literal reading of it might be too narrow.
The whole Desire album is brilliant. (In fact, I played it a week or two ago, and was remind of how excellent it is.) Dylan created a series of stories each dense enough to be their own movie. In reference to Romance In Durango, 'Heylin described the song as "the climax to an unmade Sam Peckinpah movie in song."' No doubt this is thanks to Jacques Levy. Another song that is similar in that sense is Dylan's collaboration with Sam Shepard, Brownsville Girl.
I even took a shot at writing some lyrics based on the style of Desire (and, in turn, based VERY loosely on some real life events/people) about an Arab girl (country unspecified) who is skilled at some unnamed college sport in the US, but at some point prior to the current events in the song (her playing some nominally important tournament) she had gone back to her country to play a major game that was supposed to determine the country's fate. That's all silly, and in the end the game was a rouse for the government to massacre the rebels and stomp out a potential coup. That's the twist: she was supporting the oppressive regime, and far from having escaped her country, she was in the US simply because her family was wealthy and could do as they pleased.
Anywho, I've posted something like this on the SHITE board before, and of course it went poof.
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Post by thisonehurts on Feb 24, 2018 10:41:15 GMT
Looks like Stereoptic Gort came along and ethnically cleansed the thread of stanlove.
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Post by antiram on Feb 24, 2018 10:59:08 GMT
I think I will add that I daresay it might be healthy for a kid to hear such lyrics (I was a kid when I heard them first, not that I claim to be 'healthy') At least they inspire some thought about concepts like justice and race relations. However, if I caught a kid grooving to Father Time's lyrics, I would have to intervene.
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Post by antiram on Feb 24, 2018 11:13:42 GMT
Looks like Stereoptic Gort came along and ethnically cleansed the thread of stanlove. stanlove's worst fears of a vast left-wing conspiracy to indoctrinate our kids into becoming race-mixing homosexual socialists have just been confirmed a little bit more, muahahaha.
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Post by bradman on Feb 24, 2018 14:41:37 GMT
First of all, it is immaterial whether or not Carter was or was not considered (by whom?), pre-murder, to be an "awful guy." The question is whether he was guilty or not. Eventually, the court decided that there was no compelling evidence that would indicate that he was, in fact, guilty of the crime he was accused of, and his sentence was vacated. That's the fact of the matter. Secondly, how much did Bob Dylan even have invested in any of these songs? Didn't Jacques Levy actually write all of the lyrics on Desire, or at the very least, was responsible for the concepts and themes? I guess it is neither here nor there — Dylan recorded them and put his name on the record. I am hesitant to give Dylan credit for much of anything here, though. I think Dylan was lost, flailing around, and was happy to have someone (in this case, Jacques Levy) give him a direction. Dylan's point of view, from what I can garner, was just that workmanlike and cynical. I don't think he gave a damn about any of these songs or those who were their ostensible subject matter. If Levy had given him nursery rhymes, he would have gone along with that. He wanted a hit record, and he got it. If you think Desire is artistically successful, then I imagine that Levy deserves most of the credit. Or, if you're like me and find all of Dylan's 70s work unbearably dull, you don't really care one way or another. It could be worse. Much worse, as the world would soon learn. At least Desire it is not a fucking Christian record. I've no use for christian ANYTHING, but Slow Train Coming is actually a pretty good record.
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Post by PacificOceanSpew on Feb 24, 2018 16:33:20 GMT
I understand Hurricane Carter was 100% GUILTY!
Of not filling out his equipment profile at Daddy's vanity site :-)
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