Your misogynistic minute at SH.tv
Jan 15, 2021 22:59:01 GMT
Post by Norman ‘Whiplash’ Mailer on Jan 15, 2021 22:59:01 GMT
forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/why-isnt-rubber-soul-our-favourite-beatles-album.1047706/page-14
Rainingdogs
Joy Stinson
Rainingdogs
RobNeil
7soqs4iago
RobNeil
Joy Stinson
7solq (to RobNeil)
Rainingdogs (to Joy)
Rainingdogs (to 7solq)
No Bull (to the meme)
Joy (to the meme)
Joy (to No Bull)
7solq (to Rainingdogs asking what was being dreamed about)
Rainingdogs
Manco
Manco
Lemon Curry
7solq
Rainingdogs
Comicsanstombstone (to Lemon Curry)
7solq
Joy
Big Blue
Comicsanstombstone
John Lennonist bolds too many things
But you should focus on this unbolded part:
Showtaper (to Big Blue)
John Lennonist
Comicsanstombstone
Lemon Curry
Rainingdogs
"Run For Your Life" is just gross. No idea how it made the album, the other boys heard that and thought it was fine???
Joy Stinson
Those were the pre PC times...the guys get your gal under control... era. I remember those times well, so go ahead and post your boomer alert gif, but also understand the era ahead of your day. It made the album because even most hipsters of then thought nothing of women’s issues and angles as the album was well before the women’s lib era of the seventies.
Rainingdogs
Mhmm. Yeah but i don't think guys killed a woman because they wanted to leave, did they?
Only song that actually makes me a bit scared to hear, i can't fathom why John Lennon thought it was a good idea. I can cope with the usual stuff like "Under My Thumb" by the Stones because it seems witty and stupid, and partly a bit romantic. "Run For Your Life" just sounds plain nasty, if that was their idea of humour... it's ****ty.
Only song that actually makes me a bit scared to hear, i can't fathom why John Lennon thought it was a good idea. I can cope with the usual stuff like "Under My Thumb" by the Stones because it seems witty and stupid, and partly a bit romantic. "Run For Your Life" just sounds plain nasty, if that was their idea of humour... it's ****ty.
RobNeil
Yeah, there was some misogyny around in the 60s for sure.
7soqs4iago
wasn't like they paraded around a 14-year old groupie, or "adopted" one for their purposes, like in the 70s....
RobNeil
Well, quite. Its never pleasant whatever form it takes.
Joy Stinson
The killing was a figurative expression most probably though the lyrics were serious and, as another John song, a beautiful one noted, he was just just a jealous guy and in the seventies when it finally came out, he admitted he was a violent man. Read Reddit comments from youngsters if you want to see how John is dissed by younger commenters today for his violence. They posts memes about it.
It is interesting how horrified youngsters are over these old social issues then and for many years wrongly swept under the rug. It is because youngsters don’t study or absorb history that they are shocked because they have the optimism of youth.
It is interesting how horrified youngsters are over these old social issues then and for many years wrongly swept under the rug. It is because youngsters don’t study or absorb history that they are shocked because they have the optimism of youth.
7solq (to RobNeil)
i've learned not to spend much quality time around rich people who don't give a toss about ethics or the law or morals
some people in my life DREAM about this happening for them
some people in my life DREAM about this happening for them
Rainingdogs (to Joy)
Rainingdogs (to 7solq)
dream about what?
No Bull (to the meme)
Don’t you just love cancel culture...
Joy (to the meme)
You are getting into Reddit meme territory here and folks will complain on you. John is a dead icon and cannot be slagged like Paul with threads like worst single, cringeest moments, unlike other artists etc., just warning you not to go too far. Even a Beatles thread on worst album was closed...
Joy (to No Bull)
We need realistic posters like you.
7solq (to Rainingdogs asking what was being dreamed about)
taking part in being abused by someone rich
sorry if that wasn't patently obvious, sport.....
ignore pile for you, you acting up like all that..... BUH BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
sorry if that wasn't patently obvious, sport.....
ignore pile for you, you acting up like all that..... BUH BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Rainingdogs
lmao what? i have no opinion, but 'rich' people can be beneficial. no more elaboration....
don't put me on ignore, we cool
don't put me on ignore, we cool
Run For Your Life is a guilty pleasure. Not the best song from a musical standpoint, but it's not the worst on the album(What Goes On and Wait take the cake).
Remember gals - John Lennon is making a sermon and he means every word he's said. He's quite clear about being a Jealous Guy.
Remember gals - John Lennon is making a sermon and he means every word he's said. He's quite clear about being a Jealous Guy.
Manco
John would be so cancelled over some of his lyrics, the mocking of disabled folks and beating his wife(s). Oh and he said kind things about Ronald Reagan too!
Lemon Curry
You can't take 2021 morality and apply it to a 1965 song. We tend to take everything literally now because we have heightened sensitivity. I never thought those things when I first heard it. It's a figurative song. Figurative songs on certain topics don't fly these days.
7solq
heightened sensitivity, lowered education, totally lost nuance and irony and fun.....
Rainingdogs
Yeah but i don't understand this sentiment, it isn't about applying any kind of context. It was never normal to act in such ways or control people like that.
Gross song, end of!
Gross song, end of!
Comicsanstombstone (to Lemon Curry)
Maybe someone should explain to Cynthia that Lennon only figuratively slapped her into the wall.
It's a song from the point of view of a controlling, abusive man written by someone who, unless he had memory lapses, knew himself to be a controlling, abusive man. Whether it fits into or references the tradition of blues/folk songs about killing your woman doesn't change that.
It's a song from the point of view of a controlling, abusive man written by someone who, unless he had memory lapses, knew himself to be a controlling, abusive man. Whether it fits into or references the tradition of blues/folk songs about killing your woman doesn't change that.
7solq
you are having a conniption fit over a song on an album from 55 years ago, written and performed by people you will never meet
and nobody is defending it as a positive thing
you aren't Einstein for coming up with your comment, i hope you didn't get an A on an essay for this kind of obvious conjecture in your life....
and nobody is defending it as a positive thing
you aren't Einstein for coming up with your comment, i hope you didn't get an A on an essay for this kind of obvious conjecture in your life....
Joy
Yes, of course likewise Lewisohn discussed and sadly excused John trying choke his first girlfriend because he wanted sex ...a thread on this forum discusses this and led to bickering and was then closed, also the may pang book about him trying to choke her and the Yoko supposedly alleged revelations, but don’t know where cited, that he hit her. He indeed had those repeated flaws though his songs were not all necessarily always self confessional though he maybe identified with those violent behaviors from his own flaws but used artistic license some. With many youngsters, see Reddit, youtube comments, his old iconic peacenik stock has really fallen because of his personal self confessed and later book revealed flaws.
Big Blue
A big distinction here is that John Lennon has been dead for 40 years, so there’s really nothing to “cancel” in terms of current financial support for someone a given person may not want to endorse with their consumer dollars. If anything, any money going to the Lennon estate is benefiting some of the people who may have been harmed in some way all those years ago (I don’t know all the particulars of financial arrangements involved, just assuming Yoko gets a cut, and maybe Julian?).
He later wrote a feminist anthem that in turn is insensitive to black people. But he meant well! Like I said, nobody is perfect or executes everything they attempt as an artist perfectly. I wouldn’t cancel all of John Lennon over that, either.
Certainly it’s not worth “cancelling” all of Rubber Soul over the last track. Just take the album off a track early, if you must. Personally, I usually just kind of tune it out while I dig for the next record I want to put on.
He later wrote a feminist anthem that in turn is insensitive to black people. But he meant well! Like I said, nobody is perfect or executes everything they attempt as an artist perfectly. I wouldn’t cancel all of John Lennon over that, either.
Certainly it’s not worth “cancelling” all of Rubber Soul over the last track. Just take the album off a track early, if you must. Personally, I usually just kind of tune it out while I dig for the next record I want to put on.
Comicsanstombstone
Calmly sipping my tea, actually, but "a conniption fit" sounds like fun, maybe I'll aspire to having one some day.
Quite a few people are defending "it", actually, if by "it" you mean the song rather than the act of wife-beating. Some were suggesting it should be taken figuratively rather than literally. As Lennon wrote a bunch of self-exposing/self-lacerating songs, and as his violence against women has been well documented by now, I think that's unlikely. He's writing about feelings he had, whether he's couching that in lyrics borrowed from another song or not. That's why some people find it unpleasant, particularly if they have experience of that kind of abuse.
Was Einstein known for his musical commentary? Bit of an odd comparison, really (though we both have great hair.)
Quite a few people are defending "it", actually, if by "it" you mean the song rather than the act of wife-beating. Some were suggesting it should be taken figuratively rather than literally. As Lennon wrote a bunch of self-exposing/self-lacerating songs, and as his violence against women has been well documented by now, I think that's unlikely. He's writing about feelings he had, whether he's couching that in lyrics borrowed from another song or not. That's why some people find it unpleasant, particularly if they have experience of that kind of abuse.
Was Einstein known for his musical commentary? Bit of an odd comparison, really (though we both have great hair.)
John Lennonist bolds too many things
But you should focus on this unbolded part:
So just maybe some people may find it strange that, since you know he had to have the exact same life experiences as the lyrics in his songs:
"I used to be cruel to my woman, I beat her..."
Er he slapped Cynthia once, period, early in their relationship.
"I used to be cruel to my woman, I beat her..."
Er he slapped Cynthia once, period, early in their relationship.
Showtaper (to Big Blue)
I wouldn't cancel any of it. It is of it's time. Things change. Not always for the better, such as much of our current behavior of intolerance towards each other.
It's a bit sad that people have nothing better to do than tear into literature, movies, music and other creative arts looking for outrage and crying for censorship. Get off your freaking phone, computer, tablet and go do something nice or helpful for another human being.........
(apologies for an off topic sermon)
It's a bit sad that people have nothing better to do than tear into literature, movies, music and other creative arts looking for outrage and crying for censorship. Get off your freaking phone, computer, tablet and go do something nice or helpful for another human being.........
(apologies for an off topic sermon)
John Lennonist
Comicsanstombstone
Perhaps predictably, you misunderstand. I'm not arguing that he hit her on more than one occasion. I'm saying what should be self-evident: someone who beats his wife once is still a wife-beater. You seemed to be arguing that the "I used to be cruel to my woman, I beat her" lyric couldn't be autobiographical because he didn't assault her multiple times; actually, "I beat her" doesn't necessarily imply recurrence.
"Into the wall" is derived from an interview with Cynthia Lennon (more specifically, into a pipe protruding from the wall) rather than me putting words into her mouth.
"Into the wall" is derived from an interview with Cynthia Lennon (more specifically, into a pipe protruding from the wall) rather than me putting words into her mouth.
Lemon Curry
He was an abusive man. He also didnt kill anyone. The lyrics are so obviously over the top I'm surprised at the reaction.