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Post by darthparrox on Dec 7, 2018 5:48:57 GMT
I'm constantly bewildered how 'they' ignored Dennis' gifts he was bringing to the group, only to get maybe a song or two. By this point, Dennis was almost leading the charge and could have pushed the Beach Boys to embrace the new rock of Hendrix/Cream/The Who. 'All I Wanna Do' is a great example of where they could have gone, instead, they went all 'bluebirds over the mountain'! WTF??? forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/beach-boys-1968-1969-archival-set.681632/page-7#post-20116678
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Post by respiratoryproblems on Dec 7, 2018 7:36:54 GMT
This is fucking nonsense.
I'm writing a Beach Boys thing somewhere else right now, and revisiting the input of Dennis over the years, up to his final roll of the dice with the band, and after 1970 he was a smooshy and soft as any drippy Al Jardine love song. Admittedly they were pretty good songs, but he got that hard rock thing (which is as hard rock as Helter Skelter is heavy metal i.e. not at all) out the way pretty quickly.
On the other hand, I'm quite excited by these new sets.
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Post by darthparrox on Dec 7, 2018 14:08:06 GMT
I'll never get fascination with Dennis songs at all. They are sloppy, soft and unmemorable. Of course Bruce dreck is on whole another level..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 16:31:11 GMT
I'll never get fascination with Beach Boys songs at all. They are sloppy, soft and unmemorable. FTFY
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Post by graucho on Dec 7, 2018 17:51:12 GMT
I'll never get fascination with Beach Boys songs at all. They are sloppy, soft and unmemorable. FTFY If you're referring to anything they did after about 1977, that's being charitable. It must really hurt to be a Beach Boys fan, and want to be catalog.
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Post by darthparrox on Dec 7, 2018 18:52:30 GMT
DON'T TOUCH MY SURFIN SAFARI, BASTARDS! iT'S ALMOST PUNK ROCK!
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Post by Brick Wall on Dec 7, 2018 19:00:20 GMT
Fuck it. Of course it's not hard rock. But I'll take Pacific Ocean Blue over Pet fucking Sounds or any other Beach Boys shit any day and twice on a Sunday.
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Post by mintyjackhole on Dec 7, 2018 19:44:21 GMT
Fuck it. Of course it's not hard rock. But I'll take Pacific Ocean Blue over Pet fucking Sounds or any other Beach Boys shit any day and twice on a Sunday. Mintyjackhole approves this message.
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Post by AnalogRearEnd on Dec 8, 2018 3:13:46 GMT
Pet Sounds has to be the whitest record ever made.
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Post by GeddyLeePierce on Dec 8, 2018 5:42:33 GMT
Pacific Ocean Blue is the litmus test for hipster phonies who should pick another hobby other than music: It’s what happens when you have too much money and cocaine but not enough talent. Pure shit. Sorry.
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Post by hoffa_nagila on Dec 8, 2018 6:46:14 GMT
I actually find Dennis Wilson to be rather likable — although given the insufferable dorks he was in a band with, anyone who isn't either the overgrown baby retard or Mike Love is going to come off looking comparatively OK without even having to make any effort. Some of Dennis Wilson's late 60s songs are decent, with "All I Wanna Do" being the absolute worst of the lot; it sounds like a TV movie's laughable idea of "edgy raunchy rock," or Wayne Newton trying to get down with the heavy love generation. That said, Pacific Ocean Blue is indisputably absolute garbage. Whatever was good about his earlier material (Manson's writing pen perhaps?) has completely vanished by this point. It is the worst sort of limp yacht rock without even the annoyingly memorable hooks a third-rate yacht rock hack like Kenny Loggins or England Dan and what's his name would come up with. Worse, it is the most self-pitying and mawkish yacht rock music ever made. The songs suck, the atmosphere is absolutely dreary, and I cannot imagine why anyone could possibly get any pleasure whatsoever out of enduring this album. That was my objective take on it, even when I, as someone who doesn't even like the Beach Boys, was vaguely rooting for Dennis to deliver something containing even some vague hint of purpose and substance, just to show his estranged band that, yes, he could create something that is better than never-should've-been-inflicted-onto-the-world product like 15 Big Ones or The MIU Album or some fucking Bruce Johnston solo album. How hard can that be? Too hard, apparently, for Dennis. Pacific Ocean Blue was justly ignored at its time of release, and was unceremoniously dumped straight into the cutout bin along with The Beach Boys Love You, etc. It doesn't deserve any better, and why this slab of sad sack wallowing — as if Pablo Cruise bottomed out on quaaludes and made an album about it — has over the years acquired some kind of hipster cachet is puzzling. I first heard about it when the 30th anniversary edition came out. The review compared it to The Wall, as I remember. Built it up to be something brilliant, that everyone needed to hear. As much as I couldn't give a shit simply because it was a Beach Boy, after that write up, I had to at least hear what all the fuss was about. It sounded like the Beach Boys, but sadder.
If you like it, you like it, but it's nothing new or groundbreaking, and it's not something that everybody needs to hear. At least Pet Sounds can justify its reputation on the basis of a few tracks. Fuck those stupid fucking hipsters. A decade later and a bunch of them have washed up on SH.TV, stuck with their shitty music that they are too proud to admit they hate or maybe they've really convinced themselves that it's good.
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Post by respiratoryproblems on Dec 8, 2018 9:30:35 GMT
I first heard the record around 2000 or so. I knew someone who suddenly and unfathomably became a Beach Boys fanatic (I think too much ecstasy slowly destroyed his mind; I mean, what kind of 23 year old guy heavily into underground rave music becomes a fucking Beach Boys fanatic in the year 2000??) and would never shut up about them. He aggressively pushed all these CD-Rs onto me, and since I had once had had some respect for the guy's musical knowledge, I duly and seriously gave them a chance. And that was the last time I ever gave any credence to anyone else's musical tastes. The Beach Boys cult is a curious one. Beatles, Stones, Monkees, OK. Whatever. I can see that, conservative and boringly predictable as it is. Those bands at least consistently delivered whatever they had to offer and imparted a cohesive identity and point of view. They tick off all the appropriate pop music boxes. But the Beach Boys.... Even their most ardent fans know that 95% of the output is shoddy, embarrassing product, and they are well aware that the individual group members represent various degrees of creepy to outright vile. Is there any other beloved band whose biggest fans you will always find stating forthright that one-half to four-fifths of their favorite group are talent-free fucking idiots? It's weird, I tell you. Whether it is conscious or not, this sort of dogged masochism is a huge component and point of attraction to the committed Beach Boys fan. I'm just gonna out myself right now as someone of a similar disposition to your MDMA-damaged friend, even if my fandom is now more at irregular intervals rather than feverish 24/7 worship at the Church of Brian. There is no earthly reason for me to like them (I have absolutely no love for The Four Seasons and that ilk of harmony singing, or surf music, or whiteified rock n roll), but I do. And I freely admit that of the 1,326 songs of theirs I have in my iTunes, perhaps 100 of them are truly fantastic, and twice that amount are absolutely shit. And I'd never want to actually spend time in the company of any one of them (except Ricky Fataar, who's far more 'famous' for playing Stig O'Hara). My guess is that Beach Boys fans are subjective enough to appreciate that the band are flawed, and that not everything is great, but the bad parts make the good parts even better. If there was a Beach Boys fanatic who was unable to separate the good and bad, that person would be a sociopath. I've never really analysed my continued fandom, but my first thoughts are it's a combination of childhood nostalgia, the strong pull of the genuinely good stuff, the band's back story and mythology, the variety of the albums and singers (and the constant stream of unreleased stuff), and maybe wanting to have some sort of 'mainstream' taste while most of my other listening is commercially redundant. I dunno.
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Post by graucho on Dec 8, 2018 10:31:20 GMT
I can see the appeal in terms of the music (up to a point a lot of it is beautiful, even if more than a little dorky). The band was full of a bunch of ill-suited bozos, and creeps , but that has always been an appealing part of the narrative to me, as is the whole Brian Wilson in a sandbox part of it. Heroes and Villians (the book) is a page turner.
But what I found weird when seeing Brian Wilson in concert (at the Festival Hall, not Albert Hall) was how overtly reverent a lot of the audience were. I can't even remember what it was exactly that gave me this feeling. It was like I was at a religious event of some kind (but not in a good way.) None of this was coming from the stage (and the performance was good even if Wilson was pretty much inanimate for the whole show), it was from the audience (mainly men of a certain age).
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Post by chaz on Dec 9, 2018 1:12:39 GMT
Dennis Wilson was the coolest motherfucker from the whole overblown boomer rock & roll era. And I say that without a trace of irony. In fact, the only thing cooler than Dennis Wilson was the performance of Warren Oates alongside of him in Two Lane Blacktop.
Yeah, I realize this should probably go in the inner shite section, but the subject’s been broached here anyway...flame away, Beach Boys haters! They were the most fucked-up, “diseased” (as Lester Bangs put it) individuals of that time period, but to me everything else (except maybe The Kinks) pales in comparison.
Except, of course, Mike Love. Fuck Mike Love, with Squeaky Fromme’s strap-on.
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Post by AnalogRearEnd on Dec 9, 2018 2:21:47 GMT
The best thing in Two Lane Blacktop is the Chevy.
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