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Post by mintyjackhole on Jul 31, 2020 15:43:39 GMT
Van Gelder was better at capturing horns than pianos, but to complain about any of his work is really nit picking. Maggie's comments about the Blue Note house sound is on point. Impulse! albums just don't sound like Blue Note albums. Van Gelder knew what he was doing. But then, people who listen for the sound quality of sixty year old jazz recordings don't really give a shit about the music in the first place.
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Post by Felonious Spunk on Jul 31, 2020 19:52:51 GMT
The only complaints I have with RVG recordings are the earliest stuff where he was using that hyped up echo on the trumpets especially. He got over that. I also think some of the earliest Jimmy Smith stuff sounds like shit but I think that has more to do with Smith still finding his sound as the later stuff (Verve, also RVG) sounds fantastic.
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Post by hugofuguzev on Aug 1, 2020 7:53:37 GMT
Maggie pwns the Sleazeball: Well fucking played sir/ma'am. Maggie has not been suffering fools gladly in that discussion! So which SC alumni are you, Mags?
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Post by hugofuguzev on Aug 1, 2020 8:51:23 GMT
Oh dear christ, the fuckin' stupid is strong with this one: forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/what-rudy-van-gelder-did-wrong-article.980394/page-6#post-24599455"Tom Dowd was a hack!" - "Tube Mon" Regardless of what Tom Dowd may or may not have done to My Favourite Things, Tube, anybody who could produce Disraeli Gears, Layla and The Allman Bros At Fillmore East is anything but a fuckin' hack, especially given the stoned out conditions of the people he was working with. How many goddamn records have YOU produced, asshole?
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Post by mintyjackhole on Aug 1, 2020 18:58:59 GMT
Tom Dowd had very different values than the modern audiophile. His recordings won't win any awards for sound, but they have energy and life.
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Post by hugofuguzev on Aug 2, 2020 9:01:08 GMT
I guess I will just never understand the whole "I am going to bitch about the recording quality of a 60 year old record." (Or even a week old recording, for that matter.) The recording is whatever it is. You either like it or don't like it — or are indifferent. It's like bitching about a meal you had in a restaurant 20 years ago. That said, I find nothing bad about RVG recordings. They sound like ... RVG recordings. And that is a good thing, as far as I am concerned. Does the piano sound like a real piano in your room? No, and neither does any other recording of a piano. You want that? Then buy a piano and learn to play the damn thing. If these fuckers had their way, every single recording in existence would sound like a Steely Dan record. They whine endlessly about homogenization, yet bitch about anything that has its own individual sonic character. The irony there being Becker and Fagen, jazz fanatics that they were/are, undoubtedly loved Van Gelder's sound. I can't remember which Steely Dan album it was, but they actually wanted to put the goddamn thing out in mono like the old 50's Blue Note LPs. Gary Katz and/or Roger Nichols presumably talked them out of it...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 23:45:31 GMT
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Post by essayceedee on Aug 22, 2020 0:42:34 GMT
I hope BELL is short for Bellman.
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Post by bradman on Aug 22, 2020 1:21:14 GMT
Get out your usb turntable to make sure.
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Post by mintyjackhole on Aug 22, 2020 1:28:23 GMT
If anybody knows about keeping tapes it would be STeVE.
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Post by jeatletoes on Aug 22, 2020 3:43:49 GMT
But not how to give them back.
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Post by daved on Nov 4, 2020 16:23:18 GMT
Maggie fighting the good fight:
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Post by Norman ‘Whiplash’ Mailer on Dec 17, 2020 22:14:52 GMT
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Post by daved on Jan 1, 2021 19:08:34 GMT
Did Rudy do Workin’ With..... cuz I’m trying to hear the awful engineering job he did but it sounds fine to me.
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Post by respiratoryproblems on Jan 1, 2021 19:11:53 GMT
Did Rudy do Workin’ With..... cuz I’m trying to hear the awful engineering job he did but it sounds fine to me. He did indeed.
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